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MY EXPERT OPINION EP #163: CANIBUS INTERVIEW (PT2)

Math Hoffa

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March 1, 2023

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opinion the greatest show in the world

and I'll say that every single episode

and all you guys is tuning in I know you

feel the same way so I want to say thank

you for tuning in hit that subscribe

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let everybody know you in herе no paper

there you go oh man you gotta gеt upon

me man I've been I'm operating lawful

fumes three hours of sleep

40 hours

yeah it's the grind though it's the

grind if you want to shine you got

it that's what it is

um

I hate to start the episode off like

this but I do want to pay my respects

to uh you know someone that was a friend

of mine

similar experience a large amount of

success in the web series

feel bumpy of respect life

passed away today

you know

so I have a moment of silence

thank you

um

my condolences

his family his loved ones

to the yard

you know if there's anything I can help

help with Reach Out

Matt how you doing sir let's go with you

so I'm bigger man of God

Marco Polo

what's going on man

I'm

here

yo y'all I swear Marco you need to be an

emoji face bro like

that's unique right right yeah it's

Unique it's very unique very unique

congratulations on all your success man

you deserve it thank you sir I

appreciate that hey let's get Polo

around Applause

[Applause]

um splat

grass

all right be my boy boom Pete thank you

very much you know what I mean have me

my boy math working running around crazy

and respect life hacks whatever y'all

need y'all know to reach out the whole

cast the whole Court y'all y'all know

what's up let's stop

ah champ how are we feeling I'm feeling

well feeling blessed glad to be free not

in the system

um rest in peace as well man salute

condolences to him and his family

um Shout Out yktv magazine you know the

vibes

I love that jacket that you got on fire

right yeah you got on bro

thank you sir and this is credited to uh

aesthetic BK my boy shout out to you man

Apostle Brooklyn yeah we need like a

bunch of colors for Mac bigger than the

whole crew you need to get that yeah

that's easy all right

ah yeah this is nice yo you've been

doing a lot of producing lately yeah

I've been in my my you know what I'm

gonna keep it real since 19 Keys came

and gave us that gold order

[Music]

and then we in the studio and we in the

studio you see I'll be in the corner

like I don't care about nothing else

that's going on I want to make the music

but let me get this out the way and I'm

like laser focused on every single like

details the meditation too obviously

meditations

yeah now I gotta say this is a long time

coming

um I want to start this by rewinding

I was about

17. 17.

there was this rapper that came on the

scene and

oh my God let me just heard this [ __ ]

who the [ __ ] yeah like

it's very rare

that someone would have

a top position on a coup tape that you

never heard about the word unheard of

very rare you have to fight to get to

that unheard of and when I say I brought

these freestyles back so many times

[Music]

it altered the way I wrapped

um

but I'm also very you know

you know I'm I like to compete right so

I heard that this person was going to be

at a spot called hardcore

on Flatbush Avenue

open mic

and there were rumors that he was always

open to battle anybody

I mean I read stories about him going up

against the whole wotech

that's Wu-Tang I didn't even do that

it's crazy

right

so I said yo

I want to battle this guy

how old is you man

I bust my brain for like three four days

[Music]

came outside to all my [ __ ] and I

announced

yo

I'm going to hardcore

to battle this guy

my [ __ ] looked at me and they said

don't shout the block out

they're gonna embarrass us

don't get us caught up in your [ __ ]

man leave us out of it

and that's the testimony because you're

looking at a battle rap Legend that's a

testimony to the greatness of the band

conditioning

we got cannabis today

don't shout the block that's a crazy

story that's gotta be the craziest one I

ever heard and low-key that moment

probably made me

not only very Petty

but much better at what I was doing

because I felt like oh y'all [ __ ]

don't believe but you're so aggressive

dog

I've always been that way that's a crazy

story man a block that's how they

you know us the wildest thing I'm sure

there are a lot of stories like that I

don't know what turned

cannabis the brand or just that little

dude writing like that would turn me

into some kind of a bounty for just the

lyric like what turned me into a bounty

you know what turns you into this is the

thing this is the thing and I set it up

on another venue when when I was faced

with the same kind of question

anytime I sat down and I wrote

and I was trying to just just say the

most incredible stuff whatever I could

say on with that pen and then vocal it

and then voice and flex and everything

really what I was doing it for I wasn't

doing it to get about it

I was doing it because I was that was my

way of saying here's my resume kind of

rap with y'all

that's the honest truth and dealing with

some of the names you mentioned and just

how it was in general is a very very

aggressive time those times Like

Anything Goes

and there was no no way to record it you

know people had eight millimeter theme

eight millimeter film or 16 there there

was really no recording going on so it

was really only Word of Mouth Legend

and so sometimes you know you might not

really Crush decipher because we call it

ciphon too it wasn't always battling man

if you're old enough to remember that it

was Cypher into the net right that's how

battle you in the flesh

I'll battle you over the phone you can

call me correct yeah I eat that you were

giving out open invitations

it was an open invitation step up [ __ ]

I'm out here [ __ ] [ __ ] up what's up

how else was I gonna get Clue to be like

yo this is going on my mixtape first

show this the first joke Tony Tony touch

right 50 MCS I said something about the

50 MCS it was my self-promotion it was

what is all I had to work with right was

the pen the voice and that opportunity

over that beat right but that's

interesting I was out there battling

[ __ ]

what y'all do now and I Gotta Give just

give it up off from the jump just keep

it all the way above right it's

defending Federal facts what y'all do

now and call battle rap

ferocious it's not what was how it

started what the way it goes down now it

is like pit fighting now you're standing

in front of each other crazy close and

you're talking about weapons that I

don't even know if some of them exist

right you know what I'm saying The Arms

Room right if somebody hasn't seen a lot

of arms right you know I mean so so and

just what what's you know what what

could be said the type of I wouldn't

even really know what type of you know

same psychology that it's hard to even

put them into that classifier what does

it take to go in there and do that

to bring home the bacon you see what I

mean the classics 10 cannabis freestyles

We're not gonna sit here and act like

one I gotta ask you how are you talking

[ __ ] into being like okay yeah I know

you asked for 16 but I got 57.

how was you doing that

I think a lot of that too like I want to

send a shout out to Red Man beast from

the East right red man was the one that

based I mean cheek shout out to cheeks

Lost Boys yeah they have record happen

because of them right Charles suit you

know Tim Dogg a piece of nappiness

Uptown records all that right reversal

but outside of cheeks saying all right

cool lb you know spig Louis Vuitton

saying all right Dad get to a [ __ ]

cause Mama I had I was co-managing them

I was General Manager group home

entertainment so I was booking shows for

them Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday six

Bands A Night 24 bands a week 96 bands a

month I was doing that and at the same

time I always wanted the ROM I always

wanted to be on the records I was around

when legal drug money was released on

Uptown records right the Super Mario god

blessings you know what I'm saying like

they called him Super Mario you know why

they call him Super Mario no because he

could jump so high and put the posters

shout out to Super Mario he was the one

that puff had bailed out for 25 bands

Super Mario

so

so beast from the East happen because

Red Man didn't mind me doing the 50 bars

I know he probably went ran through his

mind why is he doing this but he let it

happen

so that was the kind of energy that that

that would that Tony just let me do them

bars on there no clue let me go in there

and get busy like that right Kim let me

put those balls on that and then no one

ever right they'd let me get busy with

that right shout out to the whole firm

click you know saying Steve's thought

everybody that helped that happen and

then Jamil who took me up there then

four three two one then then the uh it

was uh it was Panama Pio too cold it was

a lot of Records but they were allowing

me to do that

and so why were they allowed

I think because there was still a heart

in hip-hop in terms of

instead of shutting it down they wanted

to see how far I could go with the rhyme

they wanted to see me run with it they

fed in

ah

they fit into the Mystique it's like

watching you with ill will right you

wanted to see the pressure that was

applied to you in order to see how okay

how did you get out of this preps what

you did

but those are the things that you know

people want to see because it is it is

something that's a it's it's kind of you

know it's it's customized man how you

get out of that pretzel right but when

you when we talk about hip-hop

it being so competitive and so ego

driven

the fact that so many people were

willing to turn down their egos

to let you

take off

because me personally I couldn't do it I

I mean

yeah I'll let you ride so I'm gonna get

you back I'm gonna get you back the next

time you got a joint they got more 100

on your [ __ ] you know what I mean so

watch this you know what I'm saying I

know nobody wasn't nobody wasn't getting

it back right nobody wasn't getting them

back I know you cut some necklace right

and I'm not like that anymore I can't do

that anymore I could still go ahead and

go for Mars and make a record sound good

when it's all said and done and it's

gonna be hip-hop right

but at that time when you wanted to come

down to hardcore

I had four around four hours of Rhymes

in my head it wasn't 30 pages of Rhymes

in this fiction as well because it

wasn't that it was really four hours I

just talked to smooth Hustler the other

night and um

he already knows this but

broken language the beat I had it

recorded on a 90-minute tape back to

back where you put it into Sony or the

Denim and it goes all the way and then

it flips over by itself and then goes

all the way back as you can select you

know what I'm joking that was my workout

team

so I just sit there and rhyme for it to

the four hours when I can skip to any

rhyme and any point so you wouldn't even

know that it wasn't off the head or what

have you and it was really like that I

was really doing or he was doing that

back then right I got to speak about it

in the third person because it was true

can I do that now no do I know how I was

doing it then no maybe maybe it was the

focus the repetition and you you know

just having the memory being able to

keep all that in your head Ginkgo that

should have come around

look there's a battle battle rap

regiment diet of things that you eat to

treat your memory I'm learning man I was

look

when I genuinely wanted to give back to

it as much as I could I wanted to put

into that genre of the culture it seemed

like I almost

you know jumped out the window for

battle rap or for that style of rapping

on every record that I could get my

hands on or a chance to do

but the reason why that scene wanted to

see you on the scene is because of the

content the lyrical content that you was

delivered I got on the track with Brian

McKnight and I was screaming on the mic

I got opportunity to Rock with Brian

with that I didn't I wasn't even

thinking

like we want to talk about that in the

[ __ ] don't make no sense right

it was just like y'all are now

but I was I was doing as Extreme as I

could then and I remember the annals

used to look at me shout out to be on

the value he'd look at me to say

cannabis

once you just put a hook in here man

like you know

and I'm like yo I I you need a studio I

leave it just the way maybe add balls to

it yeah now if I have to get on stage to

do 100 bars I'm saying I should have

listened to that [ __ ]

don't agree I don't agree and I'ma tell

you why

A Milli a million

yo bro so many records uh Cam'ron uh

three 357 yeah

that was the same Magnum P.I Jones six

foot seven foot I feel like

the structure that they were trying to

put on you wasn't your structure you

feel what I'm saying yeah if you'd have

did one of those

and I was the single

imagine that uh I don't know if you want

to push a whole album of that I think

that's where the a RS was coming from

this is

I don't think you [ __ ] understand

every time you heard this thing you've

been spitting like 50 bars on a rapper

that we love this track it's the

difference between

having a dude

who puts numbers on the board

and and one and then putting them in the

NBA

the rules are different doesn't it

doesn't take away from the skill fact it

doesn't mean what he's doing out there

makes him any less but there's rules

they got rules in here that you need to

format it like this in order for us to

be successful and you're a pro now

you're a pro

you don't understand how high it gets to

when you start getting to the budgets

you know that's why you wore one jacket

is that everybody got jackets I want one

of those

you know you got me looking crazy

when it's budget so we rapping like how

we was rapping it's always one and on

the group just like I mean where's the

hook at look how many into some radio

you know you don't complaining it was

always one and all but that's my issue

with the industry

when you when you when you sign this guy

you know who the [ __ ] he was he wanted

me to change my name off

you say yo change cameras you can't have

that name you know how scared I was

worse

it's marijuana yeah yeah yeah it's

everywhere it's everywhere that's the

whole I'm Jamaican right but the whole

thing and I spoke to different yeah but

the whole thing is those kinds of things

are going on we would now

you know what I'm saying thanks to you

there's so many others right the names

don't like so many others right battle

rap now is it's what it would have been

a like a Disney World to me right if it

had happened

right even just to participate not to

dominate but just to torches be so

that's what it was back then you know I

just didn't want to hear that man they

didn't want to have nothing to do they

put a cap on your creativity

but then and we still move numbers to

the records still moved it but

like I said you know screaming on the

mic with Brian McKnight it's just not

the way to go but what it just said I'm

cannabis right no matter what [ __ ]

situation you put me in cleft was the

only one he was the only one that's that

let me just go he's the only one that

let me go shout out the club now let's

let's

uh should we

yep it's now the time

Eminem called you out oh

oh can you say that name on this yes I

can yeah

shout out to Marshall

um definitely gave me a beautiful cosign

early in the game you know what I mean

but he called you out

and for the rest of us it was like oh

[ __ ] oh that [ __ ] was about to happen

so okay the name you just said

Jesus Christ

it's just not a name it's not a person

it's not just a brand it's an

institution

you notice by now there's so much

involved with trying to dance with that

right because when one entity one

institution right pays so many checks

and you know there's so much riding on

that you know just

his Peace of Mind sit down right make

the records that he made those hits

nobody's gonna allow you to mess with

his energy his distraction or you know

not even be a problem you know they're

gonna you know not this situation in

particular but in and you know if we're

watching a movie what do they do they're

gonna you know inject you with something

break one arm you know send them throw

you in a ring with them you understand I

mean they mean they need the institution

to be not to say that he don't get busy

and go for the crown or do what he do

but add you know a billion dollar

company on top of that

right right and to tell you the truth

you know battle rappers battle rap but

the distinction between what I

experienced and what you know I'm sure

some battle rappers experienced this but

I'm not gonna say what label but I had a

six million dollar bounty on if I had a

show for 7 500

that label will pay

the promoter double

right so being that label double to not

book me means that even if I get my

first half for the show right the motor

called back and say hey look we got a

problem with the venue but look just

keep the first half

and they take the double it was paid to

them plus my second half so this was

going on when it was going on I didn't

know

because once again I was running around

with blinders on I didn't understand

institutions and I didn't even know that

rap had that kind of

thing going on right how did you find

out that was happening to you I'm

assuming the Cool J situation well you

know you know in certain situations you

know whenever I had a homie that's

smashing one of the broads up there one

of the VPS man and she just told them

you know and then he came back and told

me so so you're I mean this is this

conspiracy theory is based on a chick

conspiracy theory

I mean I mean how can I prove that

though how could you not will you want

me dragging in here yeah I don't even

know what she had like oh but I mean not

not just not just one source hold on

we're just asking why he didn't shoot

back it and let whatever we well he's

giving us the answer well yeah well so

no yeah real quick so at that time you

not having the knowledge you have of the

game

you felt like you wasn't comfortable

enough or maybe confident enough to go

against him because of the institution

okay good question

I don't know if you even remember a

record called see True Hollywood stories

I don't even know if you remember that

everybody you know it's like the weakest

record probably I ever did it was a

satire album but I don't know it wasn't

really received that well did pretty

well for like a little underground

record it's still selling it's still on

Amazon right right but at the time

it got me to a lot of trouble like so I

put the record out and I brought Stan

back to life right what year was this

this was 2000

2001 2001 like I took the part where

from the inner Lewis stand was going

crazy and was driving and drove off the

bridge and splashed in the water and I

the interlude started with me during the

rain going to catch the the the the the

plane and I I saw the car crash

happening I said told my man Pac-Man

Sean rack you know what I'm saying shout

out to Big Pac-Man and we drove we drove

we pulled over and we jumped in the

water and brought stand back to showing

Stephen gave him CPR and everything I

wouldn't do that today because you don't

want to catch the virus or something you

want to catch the new variant right you

know some fentanyl on you or something

but we brought him back to life right

and then we ran the ad in the source

right it was a 25 000 page act by the

way it was independent right he was

independent and we bought the ads yeah

but we bought the ad and we ran the ad

where Stan was writing a letter to

Eminem to say hey yo how you doing you

know Marshall I'm with cannabis now you

look no hard feelings I'm not mad at you

I just wanted to come out on the road

and he got me on a tour right yeah so we

were looking to make a little bit of

noise off of that so I could really have

stand on the road with me the guy that

took the picture for the album cover his

name is David Anders who's now like a

super movie star but at the time he just

wanted to use you know canvas can I use

this for my glossies I said fine you

know

um we were going to go to England we

were in England already when the record

came out we were going to take that

money

just wrap the van the ambulance make it

look like it was American right get the

tour bus go on tour

175 bands came in back in 0-1

you know the label that said artists we

talking about was on

had Sue selecto hits labeled to put out

the indirect Independent Record sent

them you know something this thick

saying you know if you put this out you

know we're gonna sue you

all the pages in there was like the

stick was like three 400 pages of stuff

like dealing with Three Six Mafia stuff

like that right but on page so Johnny

Phillips shout out to Johnny Phillips

Senior who was he has like that real

Elvis catalog and stuff he called

Interscope to find out what was how can

you what's going on right he had our

check right 175 and um

you know when he spoke up there to to

the law legal team up there they said

look go to page 202.

said all right that's our problem we can

make your problem go away if you make

our problem go away

the Lost cannabis with the page standing

there with it with the C2 Hollywood

stories John they wanted him to not pay

us a dime

so to just make it all go away because

remember I was about to take Stan on

tour I was about to I was about to shoot

a video and oh one the video would have

been a real video right you know 16

millimeter fan film all right you know

we were getting that Celluloid film from

a school school over there that did film

and they had leftover film right we were

getting real 16 million millimeter

Celluloid film right and we were going

to take this 175 I take my cut 50 and

change right and make it happen

that was like kebast why it goes back to

what you're saying I can't prove it but

there but obviously man you got your

number one star throw bread man you're

not gonna allow that to get distracted

with all this we got other stuff we

doing you know you know I can't I don't

know if I could get I don't know if I

follow

hey why didn't you go to the um Mixie

say again the mixing excuse the mixtapes

so you know funny enough

when I have my publishing deal right I

was supposed to get a second installment

on my publishing and um don't want to

say the guy's name because you know he

was chairman of that company at the time

his huge publishing company and um I

signed to them initially because

he said that you always had working

she's such an incredible writer we

always use it for other stuff you know

voiceovers all that stuff and to tell

you the truth you know I wouldn't want

to been like the Shrek voice or you know

one of them Darth Vader voices on one of

them just I was into that right and um

assigned to them for that reason because

I knew that I would always have work

outside of

and so

he had said to me same thing you said

when you know my second album this third

album was going to come out universal he

would pay me to record my third album

and he was saying you know you should go

to the mixtape scene

look man I was maybe like 24 25

and I had already pretty much like

you know for the first album I traveled

the world with Cliff like passport has

so many stamps and I had to get a new

passport right I've seen so much and

been so many places and knew what rap

can do at a Max Level they're going back

to the mixtape scene for me it was like

going back local it's yeah it wasn't a

bad thing it was just that I knew that

what I'm trying to do because the

internet it was a lot of things I was

trying to do basically what is happening

now with everybody I was trying to do

that then

but that's what I was trying to do

everything would it take for you to do

this now I was doing that then I my my

cannabis.com site had 18 million hits

from September of 97 to September of 98

and it was that traffic was was uh

collected by a company called Alexis

look it up I think Google bought them

that was real I could prove it to you by

bringing in the sheet but the Ink's

rubbed out you know said right from

Storage like these these are things that

I can't even prove did you have a

relationship with Dr Dre never met Drake

seen him coming outside of the manger on

one time right never met him never met

him and this was when he got you know

seeing real buffing so I wouldn't even

have walked up to him when he was coming

out

he was hopping and look yeah I wasn't

even on yeah

so make sure this tracks

Eminem calls you out you don't get back

at him

because of the machine that would have

applied pressure to your career I set a

little underground things said little

things on little songs here and there

yeah but that's not what we was that's

not what a God

no he was going to with the whole stand

and they could watch that right and

funny enough for all the real like

YouTube investigators out there you want

to do YouTube forensics at that time

when that record when when all this was

going on a movie came out when we was

waiting for the money because we didn't

get it done you know what I'm saying

like that selector didn't send a dime

and um so that was dead I was in London

I had to do shows to get everything back

up to at least be able to you know what

I mean like get keep my flat out there

there was a movie that came out at the

time called changing lanes yeah like

Samuel Jackson have been that's what I

was going through Ben Affleck that's

what I was going through slide my card

you know if you remember the movie for

all the YouTube investigators like and I

was I was just like I was smoking a lot

of turtle yo listen to me man you know

that English Turtle

tobacco listen to me man I was going

through it yeah and I'm like you know it

just don't make no sense let me just go

back to doing what I do basically I

looked at it as a situation where you

know that that stallions left the horse

left the barn you know that that that

that thoroughbred's gone right there's

no way and also too I'm gonna eat this

man

when Eminem When I met him for the first

time

it was at my video shoot for I honor you

right

um

clef told me he was coming I had heard

of him you know I heard a lot about him

knew he rocked with The Outsiders and

stuff I knew he got busy

had no problem with meeting him

at that time it was a newborn on the set

the label was spanking us two weeks

before that to say this newborn there's

a newborn in the video for our anime he

said when that newborn gets here we're

charging they're charging us 400 over

sag every minute for the baby being

there so they spanked everybody prior to

all that when Eminem came out the the uh

you know what I'm saying out there out

the bench started glider wagon he's with

Jimmy Iovine when he came out the Galata

wagon

no more don't say y'all know what to do

so I was already under that pressure I

remember that part when that happened I

was like wow like this can kind of wait

but and M pushed up to like you know

candles I just want to work with you I

want to do something with you I was told

right before he got there man like not

even five minutes before he got there

that he ghost wrote Ripper strikes back

and all that back then man I was so you

know

I didn't know what was going on for real

I had to rely off of what I was being

told especially if it came from a source

that I trusted or what I thought was

reliable well so well at the end of the

day were they reliable sources no

because he didn't write it and I was

told that and so my conversation with

him was like was like well yo why did

you write that and what did he say then

he said he was embarrassed and said I

didn't write it and so for the song but

I had destroyed the opportunity of ever

really working with him again because he

really was genuine about how he felt was

going on but at the time

you know we all go through that when we

get in them areas where it's like you

feel like everybody out to get you right

when you're dealing with a Titan and now

you don't know who's what what's what

right and this is still a get busy

profession at the time we all rap get on

each other's um track and take each

other neck bone off you know what I'm

saying it was it wasn't something we

would like be doing r b but we're gonna

make love to these girls all right man

you sing that part I've seen this part

right let's talk about killing each

other we talk about doing all kinds

right so so it was not knowing that that

wasn't true in my mind I was like why

would you do that why would you come

here and want to work so bad with me and

then you ghost wrote that I didn't know

and so that destroyed everything right

at least that

so you know yeah man and I wisened up

man I wisened up I didn't I knew that I

knew that there were things where it was

like he get busy you know at that time I

was I was in that lane getting busy on

the mic but you know he also he also had

like just this thing where the stuff

that he was talking about you know

everybody wanted to hear that they

wanted to hear what he said how he said

it there's a rhyme in there where he

said square dance I said two trailer

park girls run around the outside that

was from the round that I had said from

box cut a Blade Runner so he was doing

things like that saying things in the

rhyme where it was driving me crazy I'm

just keep it all away it was driving me

nuts right you know what I'm saying I

was in Amsterdam in Amsterdam in a red

light district right right and I

remember going to uh you know red light

district right and um you know I used to

go to the mix block the block all the

mixes ups are you know give me the

months right right and sure he had the

ponytails and all that and she was in

the room she grass in there fake grass

and stuff right it had on the tennis

skirt and pigtails and all that and and

I was standing looking through the

window and she ran over to the radio and

she doing

and then she started taking stuff off

the desk because she's trying to get me

to put money on the window to say hey

that's you know what I'm saying so as

I'm listening to the music

and then I hear his voice come on right

and his voice commodity

it's your biggest man and I feel like

he's talking to me

[Applause]

think about it though right oh you got a

naked

and he starts listening to the lyrics

that's the first time the song came out

it's the first time you heard it first

time

[Applause]

he said I was the first time okay

she was focused on the wrong way you

were such a a so into your craft so you

so so so if you were me you would have

walked in you would have gave it a break

you would have went in there while his

voice was playing it yeah why he's

talking okay all right all right [ __ ]

this [ __ ] talk about man all right yeah

okay

yo throw my [ __ ] throw my [ __ ]

I'll give you another five dollars if

you change the song

If you that song was an award-winning

song

anyway without what it meant to me for

y'all and for the rest of the world that

song was that song was an incredible

song Just songwriting all that anyway

I don't care what none of y'all say that

record was talking to me because that's

what happened when I I was rude to him

and then he took his style and his

ability how he write in his mind and he

turned it into that

that's what was driving me crazy

and you'll never be able to like be in

denial about it because I lived it is it

because no one else

I understood that it was about you

because he felt like he in that moment

he created a monster

and this monster that it was now getting

the attention and it was my fault that

he was getting but it was my fault it

was my fault it was my fault but at the

time I wasn't looking at it like it was

my fault I was looking at it like yo my

label need to do more with me or the the

folks that I'm working with need to do

more to push my [ __ ] right I didn't

understand that there's an institution

involved in you know what I'm saying

that whole craze that whole it was a

tsunami right and that stand record I

don't care what you're talking about I

brought him back to life and that was my

way of writing back to say Hey look

you know I I said to you I shouldn't

have did that but you know what I

brought Stan back to like come on tour

with me that was my way of saying like

yo listen it ain't over don't kill Stan

off and they was and whoever was

listening it was mad that I was trying

to bring him back to life right and I

was trying to clean it up the family was

mad I was trying to clean it up it was

it was bad you took you took too long to

respond to that there was a lot going on

underneath all that I feel you because I

knew it was going on on the Block right

I knew but at the same time I wasn't

thinking about what's going on the Block

cause I always knew that I had those

Rhymes I was stuck because I couldn't

make a radio record to contend with that

and that's where the anr it drove me

crazy

facts wait wait hold on I was young

though you ever see him after that you

ever spoke to him after that never man

that would it was that's that's what

what he yo listen a lot of artists won't

say it he's watching right now

hey thank you all right thank you

because a lot of people throw gas on it

yeah and the truth about it is that you

know

I

I tried to clean it up in different ways

but it almost seemed like

the public like me better as an angry

artist

or like he's saying angry things they

didn't want to hear me when I did the

song No H's gold ages gold HIV is

platinum went for the Levi's soundtrack

with the lighting of the tree downtown

they didn't want to hear me talk about

those things right they didn't want to

hit Channel Zero like on a big level I

talked about things in those records

from the first album that today is like

the average YouTuber is talking about

that and he's serious about it people

was super chatting them and sending them

breaded right yeah I was doing that

thing um

so

the truth about it is I really just

needed a hug man

it's true I get it it's true I think I

loved it Eminem man is you crazy like

his ability man like forget about all

the sales because that's what will make

thoroughbreds look at each other and

one's gone because not only are they

gone because of what they could do on

the mic and even if you could catch up

it's like yo man did you see his trailer

that he's in did you see the the engine

that's in there the NASCAR that's in the

back did you see the helicopter that'll

take them from one country to the other

did you did you see the they called them

Gulf streams but you know what I mean it

was Jets I only went on a jet that kind

of jet goes through one time but you

know what I mean go see the dollar with

who Clash right clef exposed me to all

of that so you know I was man listen to

me man he didn't tell you to how to make

radio records cluck was making some of

the best radio records ever you were

actually all one of them so let me ask

you this right

you've been in the studio recorded right

yeah songs sure so

oh

some artists

and these are the ones that I admire

you know like to

the artists that can

go in there and make a record

and they just make a radio hit they just

make it a radio hit and the producer

a producer that you just drop your verse

and you leave the studio that's not what

I wanted to do but I used to really Envy

not jealous of but Envy the artists that

were able to drop a verse and that

producer finished the track

and they come back and it's a hit

I never had that brother like I never

had that man I just played the tape and

the people listening watching this they

know cannabis never had that man

cannabis just going there they just want

to just rhyme on a record if I don't put

no hook on it the producer don't put no

hook on it did it confuse you

the fact that

I'm sure you got signed

based on

what you were doing on the mixtapes what

you were doing on other people's records

right the reason I got signed is because

we got a production deal right and I saw

an opportunity to be the first artist

signing a production deal because I was

taking care of all the Lost Boys

business in-house every day all day

you know from Uptown to Island Records

you know to you know all the deals in

between oh you know it's a good place to

say this working for um

Tim Dog Patterson at Uptown records

y'all can look them up if you don't know

who he is Charles suit I want Charles

Sue Todd Ella B tears

um shout out to group home entertainment

we was called group home entertainment

we had to make calls in order to even

get to use the name because y'all know

the original group homes get busy with

it and you know what I'm saying like

shorty Nutcracker yo they was Maniacs

yeah you had to make calls even

straighten that out all right right

right all right so so now

Tim Dog

Tim Dogg used to have a dab box he was

he was he did that box sit outside his

office

I would be proactive and go into that

box and listen to music and then put it

on his desk which one is is what he

needed to be listening to I found winter

Wars I was the one that got winning was

the captain Donna going berserk what's

going on

311 yeah

I remember that that thing yeah I

remember that big that was that [ __ ] no

but I heard it first though because I

was the one that put it on dog's desk

right wow Joe I Wanna Know I wanna know

Hey Joe wherever you at I put that dat

on dogs is he listening yeah Joe

I did that

I'm not saying this to be boisterous or

poking my chest out what I'm saying is I

was doing more for the culture than just

trying to get a deal and come out and

rap I was really in love with music and

coach of the rap and he's like really

though right Neptunes

I gave Pharrell and his man the five

thousand dollars I told dog to do it to

bring them to the to New York they

already had equipment so when they came

to New York they just never left they

used that money to I guess paid for what

they was doing and I never we never

chase that money back down from them

because Pharrell used to call up there

every day yeah Pharrell Williams matter

of fact when he called up there he'd be

like yo

you know is my my CD up there sometimes

they would send that because they had

that kind of equipment right is my dad

up there you know Pharrell Williams a

confidential Jermaine Williams Island

Records how can I help you oh Williams

we must be brothers then yeah

Pharrell yeah that's what we said yeah

and you know nobody'll ever get him to

prove it right but

these things did happen right so imagine

fast forward play the tape and then all

these other things that you might want

to talk about I was already damn man

crazy just looking at who turned into

what and who did what and I've been

sitting right here battle rapping with

y'all [ __ ] man

everything still turned out good praise

God man praise the most high but the

whole thing is at that time man it

really was like [ __ ] with me though I

think I think you know I've settled in

into my mode now but at that time I was

trying and you said like somebody's

saying um

you know a record like just just make a

hit record or just just tell you what to

do they ain't gonna tell you what to do

they were telling me what to do

but I wanted it rap to be like how it is

now where y'all get to do whatever y'all

want to do and have a podcast and do all

that I wanted that then nobody was

helping me man I spent six figures in

bandwidth back then phone number

718-212-914 you know we had to pay to

make them calls phone bill was like

eight racks a month

yeah this is what I was doing and not

for myself I was doing that I was paying

everybody's bills for the money that

came in from the shows and so forth

soundtracks but we would jump and rope

but I had wanted everybody to speed up I

remember one time I think it was you

Nori maybe I was talking about how I had

a laptop or something yeah I wasn't a

nerd [ __ ] running around yeah I wasn't

a nerd [ __ ] running around with a

computer right what happened was

I could get them down quicker in the

computer than I could write them because

it's just keystroke and I did know how

to type if that's nerdy all right man

but that's I mean I swear to the world

now yeah usually you don't walk in the

studio and they're like I I I'm almost

done with my verse

but look at everybody now right

that's I and I and and that's really

you're giving me that you were ahead of

your time but it was a problem and

you're giving me an opportunity to get

that oh you gave me a hug y'all gave me

a hug listen to me

this is what I wanted we appreciate what

you did for the coaches I get it late

but I get it late but it was worth it

well you being cannabis even when I say

a little slick [ __ ] on the show

I could cry though for real I got a hug

yeah from everybody

and I got to say to um what I've never

been able to say you can't even say that

to a middleman right I I spoke about how

I tried to clean it up with you know

what I mean and yeah yeah well you gotta

understand your persona to the people

that don't know you right is

almost like the Persona will not

necessarily put on me but they think a

battle in Seasons we're me we're just

mean people you know what I'm saying so

anybody that that's thinking about

coming to Canada this is feel like oh I

gotta be like this or I got to talk to

them this way because that's what he's

gonna respect because that's what he

does and you did a lot to fuel that

perception yeah tons I mean look let's

see you know what man that sounds great

you know but look man

a

I didn't uh

I didn't I didn't really I didn't really

jump out the window and kill nobody no

I'm saying I didn't I didn't uh you

killed a couple careers no I don't think

so okay but the whole thing is this like

music video really man

our cloth the ones we came up in our

drill sessions and how we did it

Bruce Lee not to say we Bruce Lee but

lyrically we'll put his name and we'll

do all his moves lyrics Bruce Lee when I

say we I mean like battle rappers man

every battle rapper knows who Bruce Lee

is no matter how old they are what was

cheeks part of this regiment no Bruce

Lee is the name of the guy Bruce Lee the

great you know I'm saying martial arts

what I'm saying like as you were doing I

mean we I mean I mean everybody right we

would put Bruce everybody knows who

Bruce Lee is you know who Clint Eastwood

is you know Rambo is right the the

aggression the things that we will Fuel

and somehow turn it into a rhyme or what

have you right Bruce Lee used to sit in

L.A

um before he got injured I read this and

he's sitting in his backyard with his

with his wife and his children

and sometimes you know you know when you

go to La and you're around La you're

running around you start to notice these

high walls or these high uh bushes that

they cut thick bushes that they cut I

don't know the name of the plant but

yeah the hedges but the but they cut

them in a way that you can't just jump

through the bush right and you can't see

who's on the other side you might hear a

voice you know it could be MJ back there

you don't know so you know people would

jump his gate they find his address and

they jump his gate and then they deserve

him while he was sitting with his child

and his wife he's been like you know I

want to spar with you right and so Bruce

I mean he probably feel like how we

would feel sometimes when somebody is

just ready for that spawn session right

you're not yo can this weight you know

like what are you doing

and

imagine like how that is

with rap

everywhere man you know what I'm saying

just imagine how that is you know I'm

not saying I'm Bruce Lee I'm not saying

that but she wasn't being called out

yeah because I was outside of Hardcore

all night

I was there waiting so that the

challenge is the best you know what I'm

saying like

and you know I had some bad boys who be

there in them days man it wouldn't have

been good man because they always be

like blood clot marker rapper when I was

sitting under that you know

double action 45 on they didn't want

them because they knew that it they knew

that it took me out my zone to perform

later on right with doing stuff that had

to do with money and for them you were

the institution you were the machine you

were the person who was feeding all

these people I was just a cash cow so

they circled the wagons to protect you

the same way you were describing them

and them being protected just a cash cow

not an Institute I wish I was an

institution well no no if you're paying

the bills that's an institution wasn't

paying the bills

what's it paying the bills just being a

little check that could come in and they

could learn the bigger money through I'm

trying to show you how small on the on

the totem pole you know what I'm saying

I was at the time like these [ __ ]

already had bread man they just needed

some way to clean it right so those

these are the things it was like man I

was trapped you hear me all I could do

was rap so let me break this up

um

so the people around

didn't have an interest in your career

they had an interest on how they could

use it every rapper that comes from the

Block I'm from Jamaica right but every

rapper that comes from

you know less than sophisticated and

humble beginnings right had that you

know that money guy that would pay for

Studio or you know make sure you get in

and out of you can and after that

beautiful voice

that makes them Rhymes man yeah Kenny

had nothing happened to that that hand

that writes those Rhymes you know

so that was everywhere you know but I

had a team yeah I mean and that team was

also even a threat of sorts two folks

that was out and maybe someone just

leave that alone

you know and I was in the middle of it

man you know

well all right I want to go back even

for

because I feel like a lot of uh

apprehensions in the way that you view

things

was a result

of being in the industry it kind of like

all right I'm I'm that guy now it's my

life is changing all this stuff is

around me now I'm going through this

particular situation it's a situation I

want to talk about

um you're doing legendary Cycles

or

what we call Cycle records

right you get a call for four three two

one

um

what happens

locate 4321 long time ago

did you get a call

more like I went up to the studio Jamel

took me up to the studio

I know there's violated pitches

everywhere so I'm not sure what studio

it was it wasn't one of the studios I

was recording in or had recorded in

before and

um

a little bit uh

you know uh

Dave Lighty was there he's my favorite

lady Dave you know what I mean and uh

and Mike Mike was real young there you

know God bless you know what I'm saying

um like God bless him you know what I'm

saying right to Paradise but Dave was my

favorite right because Dave didn't have

any type of

it didn't matter to Dave one way or

another if if he would if he was

assisting me or helping me like get

through a tough moment or anything Chris

on the other hand hands on you know you

know L was on violator right so Chris

you know and that was baby Chris from de

la Solo or Chris been doing it his whole

life you know he was he yo you know I

want to send a shout out to the energy

and the entity and the essence of Chris

Lighty Chris Lighty was our president

you know what I mean you hear me like

Chris lady I said if nobody want to see

it because lady was our president

in what way he was our president Chris

Lighty was the one man that could make a

phone call and get anybody bred right

now legit make him make your music do

whatever make a problem go away legit

make everything Chris Lighty was the one

to do it you know get this bill passed

get that bill passed push it through

Congress whatever type of terminology

Chris Lighty was the guy

nobody's been able to do it shout out to

DJ red alerts he gave us a lot of

insight on the early years of Chris like

oh he did yeah oh yeah on the episode

oh yeah they were really you know watch

that I gotta and y'all y'all did that

already yeah I did it I gotta watch that

one shout out the Red Alert yeah or so

Chris Lighty yeah Chris lighting is in

the building and you know important

right

um

of God he was dead

and I'ma say this because herb not gonna

be mad because look at him now right

herb was like you know whatever X needed

Irv got it for him when I showed up Irv

was telling me like yo cannabis man what

are you doing what's up like yo listen I

got Peach I got that we need to talk so

we saw because your Earl was trying to

build murder ink at that time but nobody

else knew what Earth was going to end up

doing right you don't say herb was on it

with me like the way he was talking to

me I couldn't even you know say wrap my

mind around what he was saying right

because I was just saying man like maybe

I could just get on this record

yeah 10 years in the future

youth is crazy man you know so

what was the reception when you walked

in the building well I was surrounded by

Def Jam you know what I'm saying now and

one thing I want to point out man we got

Cali Ranch in the building you know what

I'm saying former Dead game recorder you

know what I'm saying you got blacks man

you feel me and Def Jam he'll tell you

anybody that really worked up there tell

you that gym had a conference room most

labels had a conference room but their

conference room was called the War Room

that's what they called it anybody from

that time whatever they'll call it the

war room I don't know a label that had

anyone called the war room right Def Jam

was strategic about everything they was

doing

and I was told that there was a board in

there with a magic mark on it with a

line down the middle right everything

DMX is doing on the left side everything

I was doing on the right side and they

to it you know date mixtape coming out

cool mixtape that's where

the first one where to DMX cannabis tape

it was written on exercise and they

would cross it off as he would finish

his thing across mine off that's how

they were studying it Def Jam yeah

that's why that's why they made so much

bread and that's why I mean let's just

keep it all the way up bro right Def Jam

comedy when I was at item records

right 10 dogs all suit I remember

who used to get passes to go across go

down to go do the Dutch and comedy just

sit in the crowd Clap The Artist you you

were probably doing that too clapping in

the audience sitting there

looking at the comics and [ __ ] right

like he used to give us the passes to go

right now we go down there and do it

yourself the muscle we won't get paid to

do it but there was no press button

sample alas it was real he had the

culture come down and do it all right

you know thank you very much coming out

today

was a good night right but I'm sure that

a lot of that Mega bread came from

selling that catalog many years later

right meaning that's where a lot of

bread comes from not necessarily just

the music because you got all those

tapers all those Superstar Comics yeah

it belongs to you you own it so you see

what you're doing here

I know that you know you're on your way

to that right but you gotta know

you got to know that that's what you're

on the way to even if you just got all

the content right and the thing about it

is everybody gets to be rich not just

one dude because there's so much of it

because them calls come in man it's not

just a Netflix call or what have you man

it's gonna be a call where it's like

everybody you feel me but

and so that's what he did back then

while everybody was just trying to enjoy

the laughs and the tough so four three

two one I was surrounded by that in that

room

you know and aside from jamel's by

myself I didn't have nobody for my label

you know when you walked in you didn't

know prior to that right your name was

on the board like their office right so

let me show you what happened right your

L you're about as big as him right stand

up

first time I meet LL Cool J right no he

didn't do that

he didn't do that man stop it

when I met him right so watch this right

your l oh I'm cannabis right

when when we greet

however you feel no I'm I'm Ill you're

cannabis okay but however we greet yeah

just just just go along with it because

this is how I really am I swim my

heartbeat right okay but what up baby

what up baby girl what's good baby so yo

I hear you out there he's good at that

though right huh

what's up

I mean what's up though what you doing

right huh see you you already acting

weird look at you man

[Music]

no but that I can only say that just

leave it at that and I tried to do the

record I got on the record and then the

rest of it went crazy okay y'all know

the rest of the story but I'm happy to

show you that part glad you give me an

opportunity to show that but that's

details that I don't know like because

he did when you laid your verse

the first time

no

no he wasn't there did you mean did you

mean all right and I didn't make it

first that night right I did another

record on the album It's called get

money or something when the phenomena

album I can't remember it has something

to do with get money right and I did

that record and Buster was on the hook

with me and I don't remember

I don't remember what the name of that

but it's not I'm on that record it's my

in the credits right so and that's what

we did that night and he was like you

know we'll see what's up come through

maybe do something else and if 421

happens now did you did you grow up like

looking up to oh of course man is you

crazy like like you know what I'm saying

you know what I'm saying like nine shots

to Dawn radio you know what I mean like

walking with a pant down bad like are

you crazy you know what I'm saying like

that was actually the first rap record

guys I memorized

you're not your mind like because he

could do it all he was a do-it-all you

know I'm saying a do-it-all MC or you

know you know artist it was more it was

bigger than an artist to me at that time

he was also young right through it all

he was like do it all but he was the

Persona like if he was the trace

my DNA right as far as like liberal

abilities and all that and Trace yours

it would lead back somehow right to El

kuji someone was the guy that was like

some of it got anybody some of it gonna

be there right but let's you know what

I'm saying like let's not just run out

to the thorn bush Barefoot like he was

Rock him right his G Rap right it was

Kane we talked about this no no but

there was so many that got bigger that

got busy though at least at least

compared to now no now it's like it's

just it's it's just everybody get busy

right right but back then there was

there was at least like at least about

two dozen MC's I mean you had Show

Business AG you had Big L you had you

had uh Das effects even though that that

style you know I think I think it age

well in terms of creativity but you know

now but nobody's rapping like that no

more but they were getting busy but I

said they confused you in a cipher you

have Southern dwellers you had uh you

had uh you had these will Don the

governor you had red man you had Keith

Murray you had little Jamal right you

know so you had some Wicked dangerous

MCS if you wasn't watching yourself you

get on the track and they'll make mince

meat of you right yes but the Persona of

these MCs

just being honest

Mama Said Knock You Out

was a single

okay

look you think what I'm saying I run

with you all day L was a superstar right

an ultra Star right so no

lyrical [ __ ] didn't have that that

Essence with L had we all know that

though right right we all know that okay

so so but seeing that because you're

seeing were you trying to be in other

videos and then were you trying to

Hoodie in the middle of the of the Ring

like I'm like were you trying to beat it

I wasn't trying to be that was you

trying to be that yes I was trying to

beat it oh yeah all right so now no more

I know I couldn't be that right because

I wasn't I knew I couldn't be that look

at me do I look like that like like come

on man that thing's about to look it's

everything it's everything it's

everything so so like you're meeting

this guy trying to look like Mama Said

Knock You Out video second round looked

like David against Goliath man that's

what that was that was that was that was

literally point it out point it out yes

please he was in the ring uh-huh it's a

lot of boxing references Tyson was in it

but but you you did that

a lot of boxing training he was working

out she was running entertainment this

is for the block I had to make it

entertain and I had to put I put a piece

of chicken on a stick

to get the panther to go back and forth

in the cage because you can't order it

to do it right so I had to put the

chicken on the stick and walk back and

for the kid to meet the pen to go like

this

you know what I mean I had to be

entertained I had to make it be what I

wanted to what I wanted it to look like

but did you did you what did you realize

yeah did you know I was going to end up

well first first did you know it was

going to end up going there after your

initial verse we never got after we

never got it you won yeah four three two

one like I'm Gonna Keep it all away but

second round knockout it had went to

different levels by the time I did

second mind knockout like I had tried to

you know what I mean like you know I was

what 19 20. you know what I'm saying I

don't think I was maybe I was 21. but I

knew that I was trying to smooth it out

as best I could because you did the

video but if you know anything about

Elsie you talking to me I just shake

your hand you didn't know what to do

when you was canvas and I was Ill just

now you didn't even know what to do

you didn't know what to do and you're a

pro now you're a pro yeah and you still

didn't know what to do back then I know

you wouldn't know what to do I didn't

know what to do right and so I tried to

you can't even talk to him like back

then

even now

you can't even talk that man how are you

gonna talk to you Who you gonna call me

back then no I could you can't I can't

yeah but now yeah I'm not talking about

now talk about sitting back door but

back then yeah okay we're looking for

Queens

you didn't have no ties you didn't have

no

I love you but that was not that kind of

guy you must don't know him do you know

no you don't know man you know I don't

know him like broke bread with him but

I've been around I've been around the

morning you probably I don't know maybe

I'm not sure now

I don't know right right but but the

point of this is what you're getting

that is

it was all in his court

in terms of I was a youngin all I wanted

to do was rap right he knew that

everybody in the studio knew it

everybody knew I just wanted to rap

right red man let me get on the jump

through 50 bars and rap right don't

touch let me get on there and rap they

can't even say what the [ __ ] you want to

say man to go home man I'm still who I

am right when it got to the point where

it felt like it was a squeeze

why do you think it was a squeeze

I mean getting left out of the videos

good you know maybe indicator that they

don't want you in it all right you know

being in LA and shooting the whole four

three two one and then you know not

being in it you shot that original joint

with them in the same room four did you

want yeah the video I remember you had

the football thing in the in the second

video that had Master P in it there's

only one video with me in it right

that's what I'm saying I wasn't even

there I'm like I I was in LA I got flown

out to LA because you know there was a

skiff between the big wigs and they

finally agreed to put me in it man and

there was an argument because they

didn't want to pay for my flight my

ticket to come and see y'all scratching

at wounds and scabs it's like it was

crazy

right now I already have nothing to do

with this but it did happen right and

and I wasn't out there with the original

shooting of it that's why when y'all

asked Red Man's on YouTube Reggie's like

yeah you know yeah oh yeah yeah L wasn't

having and all that man like nobody else

must really talk about it I don't really

want to talk about it like did you see

he was on the Grammys last night yeah

you know what I mean right so I don't

want to be you know I don't want it to

look like you know what I mean I don't

want but not in that way you know

because I love it all and I'm gonna take

I'm gonna say this about that whole

situation right

we all know what you know I'm saying

Mayweather is right we all know what he

did for boxing right everybody got the

opinion of him and Zach that fight or

Ali and Frazier right everybody got the

opinions about it the question is what I

would want people to apply to I don't

want anybody to do anything people do

what they want to do but what I would

say about that is Frasier

phrase is a champion right even though

he lost that one right I'm asking you I

don't know it's your Israel it's Frasier

it's Joe Frazier Champion or not

why is it so hard for people to just

look at it that way with the second

round knockout like why why is it so

hard for them to just say you know why

they want to come sit at my table during

you know saying Thanksgiving and say

around the table with my family neighbor

that I'm not a champion well why do they

want to drive home that point or why do

they or why would they why would they

want to not just leave that alone and

look at it like you know what two

Champions did they think one Champion

was really the champion and went on and

then that other Champion can still do

his thing too instead it becomes an

anvil of sorts you know and if the hug

just stops with a hug but then it turns

into a night to the back you know what I

mean that's happened to me too you know

what I mean so I'm not new to this man I

I get what you're saying yeah so in the

realm of battle rap um

let's say that the new battle rapper

he's fired

body and [ __ ]

you get a couple tweets like yo I want

to see him versus you

it's your life can't put in that much

work but y'all got that much faith in

this thing

so when you meet him it's like

a massage you are

who me saying that no man yeah when I

meet that battle rapper I'ma size him up

because people already thinking

so that first initial meet

it's a size up it ain't gonna be you

know what I mean it's gonna be weird you

know what I mean we're gonna make it

weird because I'm sorry that was crazy

though you didn't even know what to do

man

but you get what I'm saying at 19 years

old yeah fresh in and you've been

spoiled because everybody else just let

you do what they want yeah

you've been spoiled you're not used to

that energy from somebody like him nah

no way man there's no way because

because

it's the same kind of energy yeah you

feel me that's what he's doing how did

you end up in a ring in your video and

how did he end up

energy but I had to make it entertaining

at the same time no no I ain't mad at

that because because it was it was for

hip-hop it wasn't too

I had no you know I was too young to

even be thinking about playing chess

that way but right but innately um

that's what you both was at

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um

you dig me yeah it's just it's just that

my friend when you when you're the type

of person that's like yo I'm gonna

devote myself to my crap I'm gonna be

the best any place I go I'm smoking [ __ ]

there's some people would just be like I

just want to write a good song

I just want to be able to you know rap

to the lady

I mean I want to build Woodhead I want

to work with with uh Uncle John or

whatever

and then these the [ __ ] yeah that's

like I Wanna smoke everybody know this

[ __ ]

and when those [ __ ] meet yeah

it's a size up whether the

whether the new battle rapper knows it

or not he might be a fan of man father

you know math you don't understand them

but I'm looking at him like [ __ ] you

ever in your life you know what I'm

saying come [ __ ] you ever in your life

think that you gonna come stand in front

of me I will crush you that's in my head

you did what I'm saying hey look you

know what look man I'm Jamaican man I

got whipped a lot as a child dog like I

didn't need that kind of extra I just

didn't need it right I don't know what

you talking about in the life

that [ __ ] made me uncomfortable right

but follow me even as a child follow me

down here he's adoption you said your

name was on the board

you're not even at that level

um

roll the pieces together

sizing you up and then you say

you know that might go y'all let me

borrow that

my [ __ ] if I'm already in the talking

about the mic we talked about the mic

I asked right I asked that night right

because I did that record with the with

the get money track right and I asked

him what did you straight cheese like

I asked him about the mic I said yo that

Mike she's always talked about that Mike

Mr Cheeks was talking about the mic on

the road in the van and the other week

he was talking about Mike that you know

not they was talking about tattoos

dopest tattoos in hip-hop

this would have been like what 93 392

yeah I was in high school in 92. she's

been like 93-94 cheeks was talking about

that so in 90 seven when I saw it I was

I was being a fan man or being like a

stand

right

I said that to someone oh

Jinx always talked about that Mike it

really is Wicked Man look

what if I got one of those you would be

you would be vexed you know would you be

mad if I got one after I'd already done

the hook he was like yo stack it baby

and I stacked the hook and he loved the

song Get Money song so I thought maybe I

could ask right and I did right

he said he said you don't go baby yo you

could get that man you don't say as long

as you rapping you can get that right as

long as you wrap it as long as you rep

it how was you supposed to I didn't

think that he meant all right yo we're

gonna battle for 25 years

I had no clue

I guess that's what it meant you know

what I mean but that's not what happened

but but I'm saying like bro

I get it

you know people try to say not to take

certain things personally

and Shout the little buses because I got

this from him he was like get old people

saying some people hand you a pumped up

contract or whatever uh you're not

supposed to take it personally because

it's business

but if your business supports your

family

and how do you not take it personally

right

this became an issue for a lot of people

in the battle culture where a battle rap

match would become real beat listen to

him you think what I'm saying so now you

gotta understand uh this million dollar

budgets with y'all too

[Music]

everybody's talking

um

how do you not

becoming that mentality of oh no this is

really warm

it's really warm I saw YouTube

I saw YouTube uh video with uh

but um

DMX in a school the fat man in schools

asking X who were his top 20 artists of

all time rappers get busy lyrical right

um you know I'm saying uh

he said you like three times right right

all right snap tell them what happened

but but but I but make sure you you say

how school left my name out G yeah but X

yeah X said your name at least three

four times

and he had to remind him and then keep

right that's why he kept saying your

name now thank you I remember that but

the thing was

when school was mentioned in the other

names he mentioned the name of the

institution

well now we've been talking about

institutional names now because it's

another institutional name right so

when he mentioned that name he mentioned

that name second

in the lineup so why would he say my

name then

you can't say my name he's not allowed

to say my politics up he's not allowed

to the politics but this is something

that you can't prove right and this is

something that you can't really you

sound crazy walking around talking like

that and I really don't mind because why

ask God bless his soul right he said it

you see because God is really here right

he's really here he's not doing other

things sometimes he come down check up

on things right and make sure that

there's a balance to things right and I

gotta tell y'all right now even this

show this feels like a balance because

it's cleaning up a lot of things

and at the same time

hip-hop is still better off for this and

not worse off right whenever it's

becoming the lake about to be worse off

for things because look there's other

podcasts I could go to that you know

things will be worse off we know these

other podcasts you go to you know yeah

it's gonna be drama yeah you let me

bring in my own Malibu and pineapple

I mean force feed me anything right and

so and you allow like just natural speak

and when you're talking in the battle

rap thing how

that energy could go left go sour yeah

that's the realest thing you should do

I'll be down to do anything with you to

let's let's come up with it with a you

know you know you know you know anger

addiction prevention you know rap rap

you know battle rap Prevention Hotline

or something man because look dude

what's going through it you know what

what really has to happen

is they have to see me and that person

shake hands right then everybody ah

right and I can be his fan again

right I had to stop because of my

loyalty

but I really like them you know what I

mean but I had to stop because of my

loyalty but with the when Once those

hands shaking it's like yo man good [ __ ]

[ __ ] good [ __ ] that's when everybody

else go

that's when the Entourage it was like

this the whole time ago

yo man yo good [ __ ] you know what I mean

Sandy facts and the thing is you're

saying it you proved it tonight several

times to me right you proved it to me

you've been through a lot you've been

through a whole lot rolls above right

you still got a lot more to do we all do

you know what it is pressure increases

right right

what you did you did that tonight the

question is man and what we want to

oppose all the youngest watching this is

don't take too long to do it

you know I'm saying life is fleeting

yeah it's my 25th year anniversary

Grammys the Grammys last night was a

50-year anniversary right we all put

into that you all of us we put in to the

hip-hop thing right you know the genre

the culture the you know the phenomenon

of Music this this music that nobody

owned and nobody controlled and then

model you came out and then it got you

know it went through slavery but you

know you know I basically our rights

movement right right but

don't let it take too long man like it's

not really worth it like that's what I

can say like in terms of the you letting

these Rhymes come to life

you got to know that

look I was there you know when when uh

we know the album cover life after death

came in the room and they were looking

at it the biggie standing behind the

hearse it it made me just like I was

just so scared for him

can

ready to die look it does look spooky

yeah

I saw it it looks Ghostly

took the pictures and they came in they

put it on the table when they were

cutting it with that thing and they

would they would they were shaping up

the you know shaping up the page and um

I was over there the dad probably

listening to Joe so I win Awards right

and they say yo will come look at this

and I came and said you don't want to

see it it's hot I came over there I

looked and I was standing behind on

looking and they looking and it was hot

but as I got close and I looked at it

I did say to myself man on my heartbeat

I said to myself

I don't know if he's gonna make it

I said that as a as a youngin looking at

it because I instinctively knew ready to

die we was all ready to die somewhere or

another we all hopped in that that car

that that 90 that 80 that 82 Chevette

that the tires so bought a mosquito bite

is going to bust you over with you know

what I'm saying like we all did that to

get to a show a a performance you know a

talent show or something showcase

but I knew that ready to die was an open

and close like classic it's open and

close start with a heartbeat and with a

heartbeat life after death looked like

something else to me the artwork that is

yeah

um the dial was dope with the artwork

and so

don't wait too long don't make things

like that and flirt around flirt with

them energies and make things yeah and

then take too long

so you don't say you know what maybe I

should you turn with this that's all

that's all really but there's nobody

that's telling brothers that man

okay he's speaking in cold what he's

saying is he don't got no beef

you know what I'm saying we all part of

this thing hip-hop that we love

50th anniversary

to Hatchet whatever it is

an art it was supposed to be art it

wasn't supposed to take form and become

like

I can't I can't show him love I can't

show him love it wasn't supposed to be

that we were supposed to step the [ __ ]

back and enjoy it

wow that was dope wow that was dope okay

everybody's good let's go home

I wasn't supposed to turn into

stay over there I can't it's my man but

I get it you know what you are now all

of you because I watch you I watch y'all

in here you know what y'all are now

below Cuba lingo be like yeah

[Laughter]

that's what all of you are I'm trying to

get the triple OG status man in order to

get there we have to help each other at

them heights yeah it's a way different

kind of you know ground to run on in a

way different way to jump rope it's not

no OG way when you get there

by giving people

all right the same opportunities you was

given Triple G status

if you put people in position

that's when you trip worse we're going

to take a five minute break

[Music]

rappers got bars I can hang with the

Backpackers

[Music]

[Applause]

got your baby mama

[Applause]

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foreign

[Music]

sometimes I gotta be as plain as

possible so people just

gravitates I know you different from the

artist I'm gonna say his name I know

you're different from that artist but

The Duality you talking about I'm like

Yay right

yay producer also rap we know that the

Beats is a certain way and then what do

you say rhyme-wise it's kind of like you

know what I mean like you understand

them first when he in that zone but then

he got me and Jay-Z producer did the

beach and then this billionaire

croissant and then trying to do the

politics thing and then there's a lot of

[ __ ] going yeah that's a lot that's a

lot going on but but it's all part of

him so it's like yeah but hold on but

but now you like you were saying and

orange so when it comes time to make

that album

which one are you going to be or you're

going to be all of them it starts to get

crazy can't help but be all of them

whether you're going to be on your new

music I'm curious I want to know me me

I'm always successful yeah the answer is

I'm gonna be the guy that knows a lot

more than the guy that you met yeah the

right thing and all on your team the

right people on your team at that time

when you were 19 years old it's more

that goes into it than just picking

beats first of all they have to

establish a level of trust with you

whereas a 19 year old is going to look

at you and go

what you tell me to do

I'm gonna trust you and do that right

and that that's that's the start because

otherwise I'm gonna do what I want to do

that's the artist's attitude I'm gonna

do what I want to do the [ __ ] are you

talking about you don't know me you

don't know nothing I'm gonna do what I

want to do all right okay

they can't work with this kid I can't

work with them you gotta let him do what

he's gonna and he's gonna fall in his

face a bunch of times you just gotta

hope that one time when he fall into

place you don't do too much of them you

don't break his nose into his brain

maybe he just lose a couple people he'll

come back that's a bad artist like me I

didn't do that I went to Rock Gym crib

five times five days in a row before he

would even do the record with me first

two days he didn't talk to me I didn't

say you were satin corner like this man

roll this blunt from this rock it's

always one badge to him back then maybe

the third day they passed the one to me

right so I already knew how to behave

around my elders man stuff you talking

about I don't really know

why artists would do that he's just

running into a brick wall man you're

gonna kill yourself I'm taking examples

from your story so yeah so to try to be

successful and when it came time to like

rock him to do the record they would say

hey my deep my aunt all kept asking

because nobody was allowed to go and

send me

Dino was like yo how much do I want for

the track I said I don't know every day

he asked me I don't know I don't know he

said he'll ask him I asked him wow

so he said so he said man just ask him

so I never did

Dino had to go ask him where I said yo

talk to Bert so Bert is 112 with a

pledge

everybody right so so verse said eight

right

came back said he won eight I went to

Eloise Brian Brian University told

Eloise to cut Rod check for 13.

I'm saying that's on my heartbeat why

because I really did like love rise or

Lyricist if he wanted eight eight to

take care of some [ __ ] to get straight

to 13 so do what you want to do that was

my I had a budget that was my way you

know what I'm saying and I did that with

all G Rap all of the [ __ ] I loved I

really like came out the pocket to deal

with it especially when I had a budget I

was Reckless with the budget because

that was one minute showing that yo

there's no lip service I really like I

really look up to you without having to

say that more than once or twice right

right so being the being successful part

I get it it's just that line of The

Duality what you're talking about where

you wanna that's why I was saying to you

like I really do want to be a part of

something where not like the carers want

y'all to build the nation the hip-hop or

the temple hip-hop and never get built

something that like this is a landmark

y'all should know that this is a

landmark and and and you you do gotta

like have a like a timeout like the ivy

people have a time-out zone or safe

space right for for our folks because

they get jammed up man where it's like

yo

they gotta Flex with the runs we chose

bigger than that dude yeah it's not

about no Rhymes you probably one of the

only ones that made it through the

battle circuit to this name another one

it ain't happened

names is different

I look at names he's got on because what

he did and what have you struggle but

remember that whole the Everlast the

Vinnie past the Ill Bill they kind of

get like a pass to you know go they can

go overseas and get with a DJ scribble

or go do a tour for years and come back

with bread and then they have to jump

rope the way that we did right so it's

necessary to create that kind of safe

space because we don't really have

a fallback or a safety net and a lot of

people all [ __ ] do got is rap

no I mean I'm a captain you know what I

mean I can capture My Yacht and pull up

to that [ __ ] I'm not I'm just I'm

telling you that's the reality right I

could literally pull up [ __ ] gonna be

with their phones like yo

who's that that's cannabis and I can

pull up and play second round just

ignorant [ __ ] right I'm not gonna do

that but I can't do it though man but I

would have done it without anybody help

see that's the difference between like

what I went through God was really on my

back I'm learning lessons and things

that I had to go through right but I'm

trying to give back too it's just

difficult for me to give back without

the co-sign because then it looks like

oh you just trying to sell records or

you just trying to I don't know clean it

up or so the code sign is important I

don't feel like you need a co-sign I

feel like

is more of

you just need

an area of no conflict

you think what I'm saying and in the

same way that you looked at the life

after death cover and you was like y'all

know if you're gonna make it

listening to your Rhymes you had to know

I don't know if people are gonna like

really [ __ ] with me because I'm

basically [ __ ] on everybody on a

record you think what I'm saying I'm

putting off this Persona like I'm better

than you the reason I said the wrong the

greatest rapper of all time down on

March 9th I didn't say it because I was

trying to capture a moment that [ __ ] I

would have been crazy to say for that

reason I appreciate thank you for that

line by the way I said it because I was

in 10 dog Patterson's office

went Park when he called Puff on the

jack on the Star Tech razor jump and

puff answered the phone he was on the

speed boat and hypnotized it was on the

speedboat I heard the helicopter he said

yo baby I can't hear you talk up he was

on a speedboat and he was like yo man we

too said we puffles Sykes man he was

happy he's like yo man yesterday I was

driving backwards in the drop e [ __ ]

wait till you see it I'll do 80 miles an

hour he was hyped right and he said yo

homie I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you

the footage so

I said and this is on my heartbeat

apartment for you I said

I said

that's what I said to dog now remember

I'm just intern a man is Lost Boys

co-man is lost but I'm an intern dog

really listened to me he took the phone

tell him to come home

because it was hot at that time right

for him out there in L.A right and I see

a little time to come obviously yeah so

Daddy so look so we try to y'all got

like what one more day to shot it's a

rapper said nah we got two more days in

the shot just Puffs in so he said all

right so look so after that y'all

wrapping up coming up after three days

he said nah [ __ ] we out here for two

weeks

so then dog was like two weeks it's like

yeah we got Awards and [ __ ] to go

through all that I'm sitting in the room

yeah me man I'm looking at them old ass

phones with the intercom [ __ ] right puff

used to throw a lot of those against the

wall you know saying so the temp dog

[ __ ] get angry right and I said I said

yo

so I stopped saying anything

I wasn't saying that no more like a week

later a couple days later what happened

happened

I said it because of that that's why I

wrote that line because it was just so

close to home

you know a woman you're on the speedboat

and you in LA and everything's good and

then the next minute you know what I

mean the whole world is going crazy

because you know what I mean it's like

over he had to pop

so I saw how it goes too far right and

it'll be brothers into being like

I'm one of them [ __ ] I'm still that

guy right tell him to come home man tell

him to go ahead and fix that up you know

and smooth that out fix it up you know

what I mean and I know that there's

there's there's things that is trying to

prevent Brothers like me like how you

got to this you got to this first down

touchdown really Super Bowl kind of

thing from from from being that that

different Wing it's an option it's an

exit on the highway that [ __ ] get on

the highway and can't get off you gotta

provide that for them

yeah you gotta provide it for them a

little time out for roadside assistance

yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I

ain't gonna deviate no more but yeah

well I gotta I wanted to talk to you

about something

that after you know smoke cleared

I can see how

the industry and the experience that you

had in it

was really conflicted

how did you get to the point where you

said

I'm going to join the Army

[Music]

um

2001.

the towers happened

changed New York forever yeah

even though

everybody

that listen to rap music who's able to

escape the reality of what happened in

New York and what how it was going to

change both the USA and the world

was able to escape through rap some

people probably don't even remember

you know the towers and how that changed

America and the rest of the world

forever because they were busy doing

something else rap music was one of

those you know distractions

I was in the in a situation where

you know I had to be kind of serious

because I used to live right over there

across the across the water Jersey City

the place called Avalon Cove

65 55 Avalon Cove not too far from

Newport Mall

in the gym over there in the treadmill

not like I needed the cardio but I go in

there because I was paying like 3 400 a

month and I was I figured why not if we

go in the gyms think up the equipment

for a little while right when I used to

jog I was looking at Windows of the

world the towers

you know what I mean so and I I did for

the Spin Magazine I took a shot where I

flew around they took the door off West

Side Highway that little helicopter

joint I had to take the door but they

took the door off and I was hanging out

the [ __ ] Chopper in front of

the towers so I took all that serious

and in my mind I was thinking to myself

you know what

I need to do something else before I get

too old

I at that time I thought that this rap

thing the issues with the institutions

was never going to go away it was so

heavy I was like you know what I'm still

young enough I can still Sprint I can

still you know what I can still get busy

a little bit like physically and what

have you so I said man I'm gonna I'm

gonna go ahead and take this little

ASVAB test you know and I want to fly

Jets I was so serious about it I went to

Westchester New York Westchester Yonkers

men to go get laser surgery for six

bands you know I mean three bands I I

was so serious right about a second

best doctor in the world he had the

steadiest hands in the world eye doctor

cut the corneal flap over peel it back

you know you take a little eyeball

pretty ass nurses rubbing this nicotine

or something

numb it right and then they take the

clip and they pull the eyeball out and

then they take the laser things

and you can smell the Flesh of your

eyeball burning

it's all burnt the cones and I could see

I could jet ski without glasses do

whatever you know salt water jet ski

into Miami I could do all the contacts I

could do all that right because those

are clear friends yeah right did that to

go to the service

come to find out 27 28 is the cutoff

date for you know any type of jet flying

any Jet flight school all that right so

then I was stuck with so then at that

point I'd done all that work and [ __ ] on

myself I'm like I'm going somewhere

anyway right I would have went to

Ukraine back there right you know I was

trying to get away and go do something

else to Define myself to myself right

and so

I did I followed all the way through

with it

I was a striker driver you know what I

mean

um troop transport you know used to

carry Marines we used to you know a big

man Drop Striker is a eight wheel

vehicle 40 tons it's got eight wheels

four on that side rabbit mold Turtle

mold you know what I mean cheap

transports live 25 like a serious piece

of equipment right I'm probably the only

one in the room that could drive it yeah

except for my man over here that's a

decent and then Cali Rex like you drive

everyone Abrams right so this is

something that like we can do

if something happened right now it's

enough people in here to Fitness Striker

I know how to get in there drop the ramp

you know what I'm saying y'all jump in

there right you understand

rap to me was something that I knew that

if I didn't get away from it and do

something else I'd have been stuck with

that forever so I tried to do something

else right and I did and you did right

were there any experiences over there

that you remember that made you feel

like this this is why this was worth it

now over there meeting over in

Afghanistan or Iraq I didn't go

I trained with my troop

Pat Tillman Patrick Tillman I don't know

if anybody remembers him you know he was

a ranger we used to PT on the same field

in Tacoma Washington and Pat Tillman

like you know died you know by fracture

side I mean it was a big thing for us

there at the I mean I know that

everybody in this room don't necessarily

couldn't maybe wrap their mind around

how serious that was but if you look it

up on the internet you'll still see you

know crumbs and threads about it and it

was so Pat Tillman played for the

Patriots he was he was and he gave all

that up

basically he did what I did yeah

like exponential though it was

exponential he had he was a millionaire

he had the H2 Hummer you know what I

mean it was crazy but he went into the

Marines no he went into the Rangers yeah

on the first you know what I mean he was

there like we used to PT on the same

field I see him coming in and out of

Madigan gate at um

you know Fort Lewis

he had a H2 and for some reason

I had a I had a 67-68 Camaro it was

yellow with black Racing Stripes like

bumblebee you know what I'm saying you

know I got that

um

I got that because you know when you're

speeding and you're in a foreign you

know these Ivory boys not letting you go

when you got an American Muscle to say

hey son you know how fast you was going

son officer I apologize I just got out

the shop what you got under the hood you

know what I mean it's American right

right I'm giving that away you know

because it's true yeah you know you slow

down there son all right yes yes our

officer you know what I mean get my ID

and stuff so every single time going in

an automatic again

gentleman would see me and wave at me

because everybody wanted to know what

was under the hood it was a lt198 vet

engine in a 67-68 Camaro I used to spank

the Subarus all that it was a

seven-speed Richmond transmission

Five Point roll cage Five Point seat

belt harness stainless steel fuel cell

no AC just heat you know what I mean the

car was [ __ ] man shout out to David

curvature so

50. I was a good soldier man I was the

nastiest Striker driver like out so I

major always wanted to ride with me

because our major when I got to the

troop and I seen his picture on the wall

because when you get to your barracks

got president's picture vice president

you know I'm saying uh Secretary of

Defense you know you have all right and

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um

some major pictures up there and uh he

looked like 50 man you look like 50

cents right look like Curtis Jackson

look like 50. and from that all the

brothers would be like yo 50 coming you

know what I mean so it's like the Army

the Army was

the Army is a complicated thing to

different Generations the armed services

is complicated for different Generations

but my time in the army in spite of the

fallen and what happened to America in

the world like how things turned out

um in spite of that I had a good time

there was a lot of great relationships

shout out to DJ Porter rock you know

what I'm saying Pablo Cruise when I

showed up to my Barracks he was playing

Wu-Tang man I was kind of nervous even

showing up there and when I heard hey

you you know Minecraft you don't know me

and I heard the Russian you know what

I'm saying yo apologize

you know what I mean protecting like I

heard that coming out the barracks

window it totally broke that it's like

when she said ah yeah you know yeah but

the Tillman thing I ain't gonna front

man no chasing man when that happened to

Tillman somebody

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friendly party

yeah and um you know I remember I

remember

uh one one time when we were coming back

from from a job you know 1K job we're

coming back and uh it was a gate out the

backs where they used to PT in the pool

and he was going down they were all

going down but it was Tillman's turn and

he went down into the pool and um there

were scubas in the pool maybe about

three scoopers already in the pool and

so

you know he went down there he was down

there about a minute and a half right

maybe two minutes then he started coming

up because this is the drill so we stand

by the gate looking so then he's coming

up when he comes up or trying to come up

they grab him

and he can't come up and so he thinks

they're playing and stuff you know it

feels like somebody playing you know so

he like stopped playing a little bit of

wiggling you see get more intense he's

running out of air

then you just see he started throwing

scoopers out the pool this is from

underwater you know what I mean scuba

guys get thrown out of the pool so then

two more scoopers jump in and then and

then they trying to hold then another

two scoopers jumping it took about six

scubas

hold them down and take them to the

bottom he took them to the bottom all

bubbles

then he pulled him right back up and

then brought him back right when he got

up he started body slamming him right he

spit out the water he got to be so body

slamming stuff and then colonel colonel

walls over and like you know

right to the chest

you you [ __ ] raise your what

gentlemen see your surgery did act like

one right when he moved his hand he had

his ranger tabs

so you know I saw that on my own too she

said now you know what it feels like to

drown

Brothers will bring you back if they can

that kind of movie [ __ ] you know what

I'm saying like but I just look at that

and I'm seeing that's at that moment I

was saying what the [ __ ] am I doing here

really though wow

military

yeah yo Talib kwali got a show right

shout out to Talib Talib made a verse

saying something crazy about cannabis

joining the Army right I could say this

with a smile because I love Tyler we

talked about it he was very honest and

he just kept it above it was like okay

because I didn't know right but at that

time

I was in formation

so I made you the same one 50 hardcore

you do not want to play with 50. right

M7 Gucci seats interior you know what

I'm saying spit shine boots you did not

go to you did not want to play with 50

right right so now

the song I didn't even know it came out

right I'm in formation

so I made the screams out there out

today

Williams get the [ __ ] in here

all right in front of everybody

as I run in there

double time in there

you know stay in that formation so he

says

sit down

you know what I mean that first of all

says no I want him standing

so so now I stand [ __ ] did I tell you to

get that rest Eddie's go back to

formation right right so then he goes

goes over to the record player on the TV

versus play on his own and then he says

you know they I don't know if Madison

has cannabis manager you know I want to

join the arm yeah and was management I

don't know what the [ __ ] that [ __ ] was

that I heard yeah but he said who the

[ __ ] is Taliban quality

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does that sound like I made that up

I hope so

at that moment I realized that

I abandoned hip-hop

but not that's our wrong reasons but

that's how we felt but when he said that

I realized I also realized that

even then I just needed a hug and he was

talking about something that we all got

somebody in the service right right that

I just related to us that lives in the

home with us right or you know

that we you know children we sent off

right but it's so it the odd the culture

Black Culture in America is so immersed

in service Armed Forces service right

that is no you cannot get it you can't

even deny that when he said that in my

mind I'm like damn [ __ ] you just dissed

an entire you know

country

a population you know more than you can

count

just to get that cannabis and make me

feel like silly or stupid or whatever

yeah and you cost me a whole lot of

issues standing there with sergeant

major

what was that who the [ __ ] is Taliban

quality

I love you that's why you're a pro so

he's a rapper you couldn't really do

that with all sort of major but but tell

me like like he's a rapper he's a rapper

wrong answer

I looked at him with the most puppy dog

eyes ever man

some major I don't know what that is

I've been here training with y'all for a

year

[Laughter]

I don't want to know Taliban

I do not want to know him you would have

got smoke bro for that you would have

got smoked yeah because you trained with

these guys right and then if that

narrative slits into just the wrong

aloof mind

I think that I'm near to like you know

go create mute me or go left or I'm not

really there for the reasons I'm there

for which is to like yo I want to add on

to what you know the hearts and Minds

that's when we were trained right right

and so

I was so [ __ ] angry

about that a telephone quality I was so

angry and I just said him with hip-hop

in general because it's like that's how

they look at me man that's what they

would do for no [ __ ] reason it's like

was the line the you know I never had

nobody come to me and say the line was

hot I love Talib now we talking now but

at the time it's like what did you get

for that at least young Z

I love young Z let's give it up for

Young G

young Z came to me and Rod [ __ ] yo GK

to me and said one time we went to

Shaq's crib that young G straight up

just told me man it was like one of the

first things he said to me said yo you

know me you got the perfect on the same

day right I said no I didn't know that

say come on [ __ ] I love you say yo I

did Eminem I made 800 000 man for that

first check yeah it came out straight

out [ __ ] you know I made 800 yo you

can't see my crib with binoculars

I started laughing Young G told me that

he did the child you know I got 800 000

for that [ __ ] like yo those you know

what I mean yeah just because

he was being scared though just coming

straight to it like let's get out that

that out the way right

you know that's what I enjoy man I'm one

of those guys just talk to me right I

can handle it if you talk to me right if

you tell me the truth I could really

handle it so you know you know what the

beauty of today is

Holly squash that by the way right so

I'll let squash that he said to me yo

man I didn't know cannabis and we hugged

because he he said that if he didn't say

I didn't try to say what you said was

like yo you know he's a rapper like all

that type of [ __ ] if he would have said

that my dudes we were standing there it

was going down I had never been so angry

man because they knew about the story

right okay solo brought him in the room

he said hey [ __ ] look what I got man I

got that here

yeah

you hit me and I was so angry because

what happened behind that right but he

cleaned it up real fast and I was right

there with a mop in the floor with him

because I was mopping fools behind that

stupid [ __ ] right you know what I mean

but

here's the thing the beauty of today is

um

for you to address or for people to get

to know you had to go through

platforms of places

that

would be more interested in what they

could sell

than what you're actually saying

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um

you know what I mean so you it's hard

for people to get to back in the days I

felt like there was a real gap between

fans and artists because other than

their music you didn't know much about

it you know unless you knew somebody

that was in the neighborhood or grew up

with them or a family member or whatever

so you were left to the imagination or

the Publications that spoke on artists

and if they put something out there or

they make made something look a certain

way that's what it was because we didn't

have the connection to say yo is this

true

you know what I mean it's why I say

people say to people if you if you feel

a way about a story that's out about you

unchecked lie becomes the truth

sometimes you if it if it bothers you

you're not above it so you should

address

you feel me

so now when people watch this they'll be

like oh I I get it now yo

yo y'all made polo made the call

did I go back right

you responded man made it happen right

that's what our people need to do

so y'all are a shining example of what

needs to be done I couldn't have done

with the two you did

I couldn't have made it happen all by

myself

right but you dance with me about things

you didn't put me in no thin Eyes by

myself

but you made sure that

you were conscious of knowing like yo I

did [ __ ] with You Chris I listened to

your [ __ ] maybe like you you inspired me

to do not even knowing that I was a

spying all I was doing was present my

resume to the hip-hop World At Large

you know both in America overseas I'm

Jamaican I should be doing reggae music

rat dance but I just loved it rap right

I loved what rap was doing how the slang

how he was able to do things I just

wanted I chose rap yeah but I'm Jamaican

like Cali Rags do reggae rocker but he

switched it over to he could we could

dance right but rap man and

I was like a part of all of this what

rap turned into and to see y'all doing

what y'all do like I wasn't ready for

the Battle With Disaster

you know aside from the fact that my

shoulders ripped out the socket you know

but at the same time I wouldn't have

been ready anyway I could have been able

to dance a little bit better but I

wouldn't have done much better because

y'all that needed training training

coach what y'all do like you say yo this

is why I got it I tell any artist that's

gonna get into that yo sit with a battle

rap right for like a week two weeks I

start the school man that's what your

career needed early on too that's what I

keep hearing you know that's what it is

you needed somebody back in the day when

you first got started to really walk you

through what was about that [ __ ] where

were you at man when I knew

yeah

not far away I hear you hear your

interaction with L the right A and R on

your team would have told you look this

is what's about to happen don't take it

personal it's fine go in this room you

just want to we leave we'll take care

don't express nothing out there you know

I'm saying there's a lot of things that

you went through I hear a lot of

misunderstandings

through the circuit of your career a lot

of things that could have been easily

corrected with a couple of conversations

right

um a heavier hand on your on your house

making process no bro you need a hook no

I have to teach you how to make an album

for for the radio because your

competition lives there and he's going

to stomp you if you don't know how to

play Mecca you need to learn how to play

you know I respect you back up just

because of how I've been paying eye

contact with you and attention to you

you're 100 percent

I just don't want it to turn into

something where it's like cleft didn't

do the best that he could have with me

because of why I cut from the foods

Jerry won the fries you know what I mean

like you know John 14 at the time the

band I want to send a shout out to the

Whole Foods you spending about the key

band the other the instruments the

instrumentalists geniuses

clap was the only one that introduced me

to the world all this Talent you're

talking about that y'all be talking

about y'all be coming to beat me in the

[ __ ] head and I have whatever cleft

was the only one that said uh yo listen

I need you in the studio right now I was

in Justin's to open the grant opening of

justice for Jay-Z you know was there

right and he he said to be cannabis he

said canvas I turned around and I only

knew of him I knew of them from you know

souls and Mischief JJ got busy with it

man come on ain't no [ __ ] you know what

I mean like you know what I'm saying

maybe Reasonable Doubt like come on you

know who Jay-Z was right but the thing

is

I didn't know anything about him like

off duty Clark told me that because

Clark is worth clocking shout out the

clock yeah shout out to Clark and Peter

panic and Peter Panic triple OG he's got

to that status now yo Peter Panic he

said uh

he said uh Clark was like um Club was

like yo Jay-Z is going to be God

cannabis j-hope

you're gonna be Jehovah and he used to

say this to me I was younger I'm

thinking it had to do with Rhymes and

I'm thinking it had to do it yourself I

didn't understand business you know just

playing I had no idea you know an

intellect you know I mean it's reboot

Acuity I had no clue all right so Jay is

that opening the grand opening of

Justice he says this ribbon cutting this

is the grand opening but puff happy you

know

we all happy man he goes uh

I think like Donald Trump used to come

through man and like see drinks on me

and like dude he used to do stuff like

that for the like the rappers that was

out there getting it that's how we knew

like Trump and stuff we didn't see

things get political and get thrown out

the window and so like man we was just

we was coming up and coming through a

type of thing where the only color that

matter was green yeah that's all that we

were seeing right so anyway hoe was like

no canvas I turned around yeah he had on

all white I don't know if it's around

herself I can't remember

I can't tell the difference

yeah

yeah he had on uh yeah he had he had the

uh wine glass in his hand white wine

like

from Cannabis you ready for what this

game gonna do to you man

so me thinking it was just rapping and

Rhymes I said hell yeah I'm ready

looking at this [ __ ] man like like I

didn't know what he was talking about

what he meant at the moment that I said

you know hell yeah I'm ready

cleft

actually angles they just turned me

around clefty goes you know a little

dresses she said

cannabis he said yo where you been man

I've been looking for you man listen man

I need you in the studio right now man I

got this going to November record I need

you in the studio right now so me

knowing that y'all this is crap from the

foods he's like I bought Brandon on

reality but the fujis went somewhere

else so let me tell you they was like

the Beatles man or overseas man people

could say whatever they want but when I

was able to go from like the Indie right

Universal put me in some good Studios

but Sony started taking care of

everything and I started going to the

Hit Factory Chong King you know it was

neither quiet no better than any Factory

Sony yeah big rooms John King right the

big houses

getting on presidential class you know

what I'm saying version you know what

I'm saying all that stuff I think I

might have done the Concord I can't

remember right when I started doing

stuff like that

he introduced me to the world going to

November like video Single made it a

single let me rap put the chain around

my neck with the [ __ ] stones in it

you know what I'm trying to say like

people say what they want and there was

no funny business going on right like he

did that as a you know I'm saying

Caribbean you know what I mean like if I

don't it was a Caribbean connection

stuff like that he did that to basically

say look man they trying to cook you if

you don't know yo but but look he didn't

say that to me but it's like he felt

that in his arm like y'all ain't gonna

cook you man let me take your ass

overseas man and show you some stuff and

calm you down right and his process of

calming me down was records like let's

ride and what's going on and you know

what I mean the problem was

I didn't have somebody like you that

could have been like all right listen

y'all want

five second round Knockouts with just

different people yeah put that on the

album cleft was trying to get me to you

know what I mean

it sold 20 million albums Hoffa you know

what I'm saying at that time I

understand my label was doing anything

for I understand

for who you were

to the people who was going to stand

online outside of Virgin Mega at six in

the morning and get your album that

morning true

you know you know what I mean didn't

translate in that project

that's the only time I ever met Nas what

did Big say Big [ __ ] was here he we

asked him why he why he didn't work with

you he said she went on tour with the

Fugees and never came back yeah he said

yeah

he heard yeah he's like oh he want to

talk with the food

there's nothing wrong with it yeah like

I was 18 20. what I'm saying he was like

I meant Nas for the first time because

of with the Foodies and Knox told me

that when he heard the you know DMX you

know what I'm saying Nori candy up at

Flex he pulled over the car on the on

the turnpike

and listen to the junk and was like

he was like yo what you drinking

cannabis said grandma yay right because

that's what you know what I'm saying

that's what I had started with and um I

left that alone but yeah but uh snap he

said he said yeah right he said um

he said uh

he said I pulled over cannabis he said

you know I ordered that it came he was

like

he said you know Kansas man I got to I

had to turn around and go back to the

crib God

like what I was going to do in the

studio that night it wasn't gonna make

it man I went back to the creek no I

said that to you you didn't have to I'm

telling you what I experienced because

of Club when I came out of the room with

knobs little Lounge area stepped on it

Maxwell's cannabis

hey Maxwell

I'm like yo mama there's a lot of this

[ __ ] yeah when you believe me if I was

sitting in front of this guy right one

time I saw Haley Berry hold on it was

Eric Benet I came out the studio I

didn't I knew the name but I didn't know

who he was exactly right and um he was

like yo canvas man I really like your

music coming out of the Hit Factory he's

like I'm living like a music your

brother said he was talking and I see

the Haley coming down the behind him he

said while I was looking right behind

him feel the vision she was coming down

the sidewalk so I was just looking at

her yeah I didn't know they was together

because I'm trying to tell you how crazy

it was that Eric Benet was talking to me

I didn't know who he was really and

because I was hearing that all the time

I didn't care I saw Halle Berry

she's coming down

so she walks up behind him I don't know

she grabbed his booty or something and

she you know she holding on to him and

then I realized like oh she with him and

I just felt so stupid because then I was

like oh yo yeah we can work together

you know but it was that kind of stuff

was happening right clef was made or he

opened on the doors for me but I don't

yo I love cleft for that man Jerry I

love playing they opened me up yeah yeah

so so look even if things went sour cold

Sour Whatever I got those memories man

do you understand now the guy that you

know does the Thousand mixtapes and you

know gets the album that what I mean

look can I bust this Platinum it's not

gold no more right I think it's double

Platinum

double Platinum 25th year anniversary

nice cleft didn't do a bad job the way

that hip-hop went a little bit too hard

they never sat and thought for a second

everybody said what cannabis could have

been but wasn't none of them trying to

help accept clef

you see the ones that the producers

that's probably slamming this is not

[ __ ] that I thought I was trying to say

you scared too many people bro yeah

you scared too many people you scared

the [ __ ] out of [ __ ] you just heard

did you hear what Don's just but you

just said how many other rappers you

think felt like that when you came

around that was Major too help this

[ __ ] help me

he's a threat now help me

give me Halle Berry and leave me alone

it wasn't just the battle rap right I

was really interested in other things

right you know what I'm saying for young

men yeah yeah I was trying to I was

trying to navigate through all this and

then I had this monster on me did you

know that the institutions on me was

like and I yeah I jumped out the window

with that because that's because I was

trying to get Grandma cribs you know

what I'm saying I'm trying to hold my

brother and I'm assuming yo yo I'm gonna

do it man watch you know what I'm saying

all the dreams we had right you know

what I mean trying to prove to my father

that yo I can do this right you know

what I mean I remember my father he's

Jamaica I'm gonna say this shut up you

got in the car he's like yo so yeah man

what's up I'm coming this see up on MTV

man

I'm from your activity like it's a

process right you know what I'm saying

like I had I had a lot of other things

on my head right so when faced with any

opposition like how you've been through

it right

you go through that wall man you don't

have a choice yeah and I did it but I

didn't do it knowing the collateral

damage right I was I was young and I was

trying to go with the culture I was

doing it the best way I knew how and I

know there was wise Elders man that

could have I'ma say this shut up Biz God

Rest his soul rest in peace but if you

did a show okay solo Sean P was dead you

know I'm saying eventually like you know

would you help whatever podcast I was I

could give you the footage you had to

footage all in the in the session The

Green Room together Biz goes business

tells me the story about

as he's talking because we held him down

uh he was headlining the show Copenhagen

Joel Ortiz was there yeah Copenhagen so

um uh Biz Biz started having difficulty

halfway through his set you know we

jumped to the stage we started holding

him down right when he got to you got

what I needed man he didn't have to say

a word you know what I'm saying I know

we held him down yeah I'm talking about

instinctively because he was having

trouble not to say he can't do it but

just that night yeah it was on the nose

for him right we jumped on the stage we

had we already had our bikes like yo yo

yo my man go cool rock V and what you

know what I'm saying and we held him

down then it was over he was happy we

jumped to the rescue without a word made

of the show everybody then we got back

to the green when we sweating he's like

yo man yo he's happy you know what I'm

saying his was like being said uh he

said you can't miss it he jumped right

into it I was really just kind of

enjoying the moment Sean P was dead Okay

solo and he really jumped right to the

Cannabis man the Beats man

yo you just needed the producers yo he

jumped right into it I said this come on

man he said no I'm telling you I said

well [ __ ] where were you

because I got Biz to check for the um

Take This Job and Shove It John right

the check was like a heavy check 50

pounds that's not sneaker money right

you know what I'm saying I got Biz that

check you know what I'm saying and it's

like where were you when all that was

going on where were you right I didn't

go that way with it that was in the mind

I did ask him once like the Bears like

where were you

when I needed the Beats what you talking

about but there's nothing

you'll be he understood what I said

business was always Fair he looked at me

blings like this he said yo cannabis and

he started explaining something to me

about

you know what I'm saying like with him

and Cain and he wrote some John and and

he had to come out with it but then he

had to wait and sup with him and Kane it

was something that y'all would love to

know right but Biz had to he went

through a similar situation and told me

I had to push through it and everybody

was like this it was something serious

not serious come to blow serious but it

was something that damn I didn't know

biz

King wrote that forbids or I'm not gonna

say Biz Road for King cause Kane didn't

need nobody help right but it was

something with a beat or a Jack and a

hook and Biz had something he was

telling them right and um and it was

like if he would have listened to Biz he

would have been able to do that because

remember Biz was doing when we was in

Copenhagen doing I don't know Biz was

doing it but last time I saw Biz

business had like the Tesla Jones look

good he was he's fake he looked great I

was happy for him right I got out the

car with got out the Panama Johnny

business over there by the time he said

your cannabis sucks

rest in peace man I just want to say

like for a lot of the what the message

I'm getting from your journey

is and this is the message for like

young artists right that's coming in the

game is that number one is to not be

afraid to embrace your talent right

that's number one embrace your talent

um and Propel that [ __ ] to the furthest

extent past the Pinnacle purpose right

and don't and don't don't ever inhibit

yourself from what you can really do

also understanding who your influences

are right when you whoever your

influences are and you meet them

right understand that there's always an

agenda going on right always understand

that somebody who's in the Ivory Tower

and you're where you're at and you're

trying to get to the Ivory Tower there's

always a gen an agenda between those two

points of Steel you're 100 right right

so now so now what happens is like you

said with that first meet of you and LL

Cool J in that handshake and everything

this is my personal opinion

there's a threat coming

it's just like the Army is just like

whoa there's a threat approaching boom

we can see it coming up on the beach you

see it two miles out two kilometers out

is a threat coming how are we going to

combat that

right not saying anything against LL I

love LL he's a legend but this is the

thought process with these institutions

we have to protect we have to protect on

that it's a business it's a business you

know I'm saying so for all the Young

Artists out there understand who you're

dealing with keep on like working on

your crap only never forget that at the

end of the day it is a business somebody

keeps the lights on at their

institutions that you might be trying

yeah not not on top of that

I think um

I think I just think a lot of people

wanted to see you fail

um

and and there's nothing

there's something wrong with a person

wanting

someone else to fail they didn't do you

don't know but it's like you don't know

right it's like it's like stepping on

the court with uh with Jordan

you know what I mean Ron artez

accidentally snapped a couple of

George's ribs I mean do you know what

that happened no it happened you know no

I know

the ball players no right he

accidentally snapped a couple of his

rigs on a like a uh like a scrimmage

right and you know everybody was there

was Matt because I did a like an album

was wrong Ron's meta World Peace

shout out the meadow world please shout

out to Jordan right

it was an accident he got excited then

he snapped a couple of his Meadow World

Peace was like Dennis Rodman he was

solid like like one of them freight

train type guys where he don't really

know his strength all the time right

accidentally injured him stacked a

couple ribs

the hate that came his way after that it

was just like me with second round

knockout and y'all didn't even know that

but that's what happened so I don't know

everything about Metta World Peace and

with stats or whatever like my brother

knows the Game Craze he could tell you

all the stats everybody's stats but I

can tell you this after that

play the tape Meadow World Peace World

kind of changed whenever y'all saw his

stuff changing a little bit because he

was still that guy he was after that

little scrimmage that accident right

that's what happened man well sometimes

he he just he can't say that because you

know

that's how you see yourself and then

it's how people see you and as much as

everybody wants to be real

you have to pay attention to how other

people see

because then you'll understand

motives and and the way certain people

move you'll get it you know what I mean

like I used to wonder why the [ __ ] every

time I go out and I meet [ __ ] they

want to tell me all their War Stories

why these things

over here

I started to realize oh

these [ __ ] see me as Dad so they wanna

they wanna impress me receptionally you

know what I mean that's why they keep

talking about Halle Berry man don't talk

to me

talk to me about that kind of stuff man

because the rap stuff I've done enough

of it been around enough of it I really

could just add on to somebody with rap

dealing with rap that's all I could do I

never got to the situation where I had

like why cleft power or mobile power

where I could like sign an artist and

put them on you know I helped a lot of

artists get on feature on records my new

record man I got Master Nisa you know

Cali's already established but you know

Marco Polo like we doing things to where

you will I know we're gonna do jumps

together but you know got to joined with

names like we I'm doing things that are

working with artists it's not my stuff

it's just I'm doing that all the time

but when the [ __ ] see me just don't

talk to me about that like that's all I

care about because you got to be crazy

man like I'm a captain I'm a captain I'm

not talking to you I'm really talking to

them I'm a captain you know I mean I you

know what I mean a captain a 50-foot

yacht you know what I'm saying I have

certifications for you know what I'm

saying he's the ventilation and AC you

know I'm saying I could drive strike his

live 25s you know what I mean I get busy

with five tons as well you know what I

mean like I'm like two weeks to get my

CDL like there's so many things I can do

would you want somebody to run up on you

while you're out there about that no now

though this is now I'd Rather somebody

talk to me as a as a human that has

skill sets that's trying to be human you

know talk to music sorry

I'm sorry you signed up for the wrong

[ __ ] yeah

all the way through Bruce Lee's Hedges

to talk to him about bonsai trees

this was your metaphor from earlier on

people used to going to Bruce Lee's

house and tell them nobody's going into

your house to talk to you about my man

hands you know shout out to Coney Island

went out of state

you're tempted living a normal life

from the stuff that we did in battle rap

I would tell them all the time

are you trying to be

you trying to be Douglas

you got a million people know you as

Brooklyn hands um

okay all right

it is what it is bro you accept that it

comes with it you

you're the one that's going to start

this school and give them that time-out

safe space man somebody's got to do it

you're most equipped to do it start the

school get these people that that

intermediary

you know that intermediate they call it

like a it's intermediary you give them

that place to be to learn these things

what you telling me man look I'm already

kind of like past the gamut like like I

told you man look

Moon Cruise outside like Rakim loves the

moon cruises right Moon Cruise outside

right I'm saying I got my keys on me now

you know that's coop in the airport

garage when I go back right 50 foot

yacht in the marina right I'm the

captain you understand I'm trying to say

like I'm already past all that when I'm

doing it for a reason that's superficial

not doing it to try to get on no

sometimes a lot of people think because

of what happened to me in my career that

yo man I missed out on something

I had it all not what these the mega

mobiles got but who who else has had

with the mega movies gotta set the mega

mobiles Right double OG situations over

here trying to get the triple OG the

school school will get us there school

will get it we're talking about school

that'll get us there talk about it what

all right

professor

what what can we expect in the future

Mickey facts started the school yeah

shout out and uh Mickey Mickey did a

joint where he had a course he had the

course of his hip-hop course your name

came up in the course you also got one

assignment that he gave out and asked

the question about you know default

Master Flex with X and cannabis and Nori

and he just asked about X and candidates

he said yo okay I need y'all to describe

the difference between

imagination and realism and realist

imagination and then they went to it and

he showed me footage of and I couldn't

believe my eyes man people you know what

I mean really go to this course to take

it on the sensitive he was like yo man

cannabis talking about [ __ ] that ain't

even real you know what I'm saying this

[ __ ] talking about he hit you make your

shoulders touch and that [ __ ] ain't real

mad DMX he always coming with that yo

don't want you no get up 10 [ __ ] on

them oh god with him like yeah the other

guys like you know man cannabis crimes

it's just so ill man all he can do is

just make up stuff to try to tell you

how ill he is

it made me so happy you know like in my

mind like I can't believe somebody doing

this I love Mickey facts for that yes

and not not being not being to you about

rap that's why they talk to you about

well but look not be in vain

only was trying to put my resume and say

can I rap with y'all that's all it ever

was I just wanted to get off the benches

and play with the with the dudes that I

liked red man and you know what he did

he let me wrap my 50 bars now that the

fans will never forgive me if I don't

ask you about that cycle as well

eggs

wow big pun Mike Geronimo at the table

wow and Jimmy's bronze careful yeah

yeah

what do you want to know if I can

remember everything I can't remember

again because I was really in this much

I know about it I had the Cartier's on

with no frame

so it was just the junk and then holding

on to the lens I don't know them people

were like twenty five hundred dollars

man I just bought them how did you how

did you get it look it wasn't a problem

either I had to chain on I was chilling

how did you get it

how did that happen you heard about the

cipher you just pulled up like I think a

guy called Toray who ended up doing a

lot of things had set that up because we

knew he was all there for Taurus my good

twin brother Victoria you know

where the royalties off

I'm so trying to find out where the

royalties are for that [ __ ] round

definitely a different tour

that's like a Tory set it up he said all

I know is when he was getting was like

what's it for like Torres he's the guy

he's on CNN and all that all the time

all I knew was we was there for Tory bro

that picture and then Rhymes just

started breaking out who who rap first

who said it everything was Satori Tori

was handling the whole thing he was his

camera it was it was we was there for

him he bought the the he was sitting at

the table with food coming when he went

to eat two guys did you guys have

conversations Toray had us all sit there

and spill our guts man food was coming

drinks he did he was the drink Champs 95

what was that 96 97 he did the drink

Champs 97. drinks coming the herb was

going you know what I mean like you know

what I mean all we wanted to do was rap

now if I said anything cocky listen man

the second round knockout verse that I

know I rhymed there I kind of wanted to

just rap and get out of there I wanted

to go see something that looked like

Halle Berry you know what I'm saying I

didn't want to be there I didn't want to

be there so so what happened no no just

something like that yeah right so so so

so I'm trying to make it understandable

right so so but what happened was

I only said that because I said that

rhyme because it was easy for me to

remember I had so many I was recording

and and pun was nasty and so was X and I

wasn't trying to go through no [ __ ]

Funk Master Flex 145 minute rap so I

just wanted to do something definitive

and get it over with

I I did that wrong at the at the House

of Blues and Shaq almost fell over the

second floor when it when it when it

happened Rock Kim was performing that

night and when I did second round

knockout on stage of the house it was a

rocket launcher basically you come in a

room [ __ ] just fronting this [ __ ] the

second round knockout was like yo clear

I cleared a room out with that right so

at House of House of Blues Rakim was

supposed to perform he did perform but

you know when I when I did that and the

crowd went so crazy anybody who's there

tell you tackle Shaq almost fell over

the second floor junk because he was he

was into it and he's so big and so tall

yeah did he lean and his mans you know

had to grab him but put them back that

really happened and shout out to

Shaquille O'Neal right right one of the

Mogul guys he wanted the triple ogs all

right so Shaq so

did what I did was or what happened was

so crazy yo man it was like a haunted

like a an hour and a half intermission

before I came to us the stage man

he didn't go on like five minutes after

what I did it was so much energy

in the House of Blues it was an hour and

a half and I love rocking right and I'm

telling you at that age I wasn't even

able to take that in I can only say that

to you now because it really did happen

you know what I'm saying

let's just keep it all the way up bro

Tim didn't touch the stage for an hour

not because of me but because the people

left man [ __ ] wanted to get you the

[ __ ] out of here

[ __ ] wanna get get this [ __ ] the [ __ ]

out of here man this chick is killing

everything dude what we gonna do about

this [ __ ] [ __ ]

yo yo we need somebody to just get this

[ __ ] out of here

y'all remember you saying on the radio

nah I don't go nowhere dog come back

with me

he's just trying to just ease their way

out the sight for life where did that

happen

um who was you talking what was it it

was either Nori or or X you said is one

of the dope

[ __ ] is my favorite if I ever get my

hands on that instrumental okay yeah I'm

going to Yellow Tape it there it is I'm

going to Yellow there it is there it is

yeah it is yes it is

that [ __ ] that got you in trouble your

career no I love the chat I understand I

understand I understand but that those

words from you if I ever see that [ __ ]

I'm a yellow tape that's like a [ __ ]

coming home from prison talking about

you if I ever catch that yeah that [ __ ]

is scary yeah you know I love nobody

know me saying it because she ain't

nothing right no no no no no no no no no

nobody said nobody it's just

we all

see what I'm saying cannabis you don't

see how other people see you you like a

friendly Grizzly like who expects the

grizzly not if a Grizzly is running up

on you like oh [ __ ] I'm gonna die

meanwhile he just wants to come up in

life

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what you guys doing over here

so what did I do what did I do to dance

in the battle after it was all over

whatever

I'm just saying I know it was this

moment you know it was about a record

yeah that was his moment right I didn't

try to step on on it did I I gave it up

I literally was trying to like all right

man passing the torch in a way if it

meant anything yeah I don't remember

nobody's questioning

I am a teddy bear yeah nobody's no yeah

but you present like a Grizzly what do

you want me to do but but this is what

I'm telling you you gotta be able to

pick up on how other people see that's

what we want you I'm going to go to your

school when you build it okay I'll let

you know I just wanted to say this at

the beginning

like the one of the best battle rappers

in the world told you he was influenced

to come in to the place and stand

outside the battle

Eminem from my experience because you

know we are the same age so I grew up

listening hard Eminem looked up to you

you know what I'm saying and I heard you

say um

things about like I think M was coming

from a point of trying to make you rap

again and come out and get you back in

that light I don't think it was like

malicious malicious I think he looks up

to you and

LL Cool J so are you coming so

LL is you know people are arguing you

know but the best rapper you know the

best rapper that's ever been Eminem has

is arguably the you know another best

rapper that has ever been he one of the

best battle rappers that I've ever been

in all three of these people like the

greatest rappers

so are you as something that they needed

to be aware

that alone speaks of your greatness

it's just for the acknowledgment like yo

I'm a warrior

I look at you as a master Warrior

acknowledge

you know I mean Here Eminem

worms behind you I mean if you know

hip-hop you listen to Hip Hop

lies in it he listening to a lot of

cannabis right you you and M collabing

early in the game would have been

[ __ ] thing like [ __ ] yeah but I'm

still there you know what I'm saying

it's still here Eminem

allowed to you could be a phone call

tonight your career is we our career is

going to go as long as our life goes

yeah because we're in the space now

where you can just do what you want yeah

it's not over we gotta think about radio

records we got to think about unless

that's the packages

none of that [ __ ] just be an artist just

be the artist I would just want to hear

it

you got men my age is age that followed

you that we have kids you know what I'm

saying so if you influence me right now

with a new album

what you think you just did to my future

hold on baby

what you said it was real too Amy Chan

she's talking about with that okay I'm

putting that out there listen smack the

hell he helped me out with you all right

sorry man

yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah

um

Mecca bigger right KO you see I'm trying

right

the level

every now and then there's a there's a

unique talent that raises the bar

we saw it with Rocky

um

we saw it with knives

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saw it continue on with big

hole

cannabis is in that list

cannabis is in that list believe it or

not whether you admitted enough

you're in that list freestyles

how hard [ __ ] going with them

shits you definitely inspired a lot of

people

now I've said it himself the [ __ ] out

vote that night wasn't gonna make it I

had to go back you raised the bar

you feel me

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um

and I thank you for your contribution

absolutely absolutely

foreign

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